• Genuinely sorry for the offence caused. I didn’t intend to make uncharitable assumptions or shouty accusations. I don’t actually disagree with any of the points made above (for example, I agree with most of the points in 24358, 24359 and 24360).

    My over riding point (and maybe @GoatandTricycle’s) is that the acid test of electoral success for both Labour and the Conservatives is whether you can deliver a majority in a general election. By that measure both May and Corbyn were proven to be losers in 2017.

    The test applied to Corbyn by Labour after the 2017 election was that he did better than his predecessor and the low expectations set for him. If the ultimate goal is a majority in a general election, perhaps that was the wrong test to apply. We will get to see in due course.

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