• Except that he's talking about trying to get a better withdrawal deal and a lot of people don't believe the EU has any more patience for agreeing that with him than they do with Bojo.

    The EU has previously said they will open up negotiations if May's red-lines are no longer a part of them. I've not seen anything change in this regard, and Corbyn's position explicitly removes the red lines. Additionally, the EU knowing that the outcome of these negotiations will be a referendum which would, ideally, put this to bed, would perhaps see the pragmatism of going along with the process.

    I understand that a majority of Labour members back remain (while not a Labour member it's certainly my preference). But making that the official party position along with an official party position of trying to negotiate a different type of exit seems to be putting the cart before the horse. Perhaps most worryingly is that it would allow Brexiters to claim the negotiations were not held in good faith on the part of Labour and the EU. Neutrality seems to me to be the best position in this case, and ironically, perhaps one of Corbyn's qualities which make him best suited is his history as a Eurosceptic.

  • I've not seen anything change in this regard

    There's been no change in the official position. That doesn't mean EU politicians and their electorates still have the patience to support it.

  • Assuming the EU have the patience and Labour could do a deal ... if the deal struck with EU isn’t popular in a referendum then we stay in the EU. That’s got to be the probable outcome - the Brexit vote would certainly be split (between the deal and not-voting because it’s not the isolationist unicorn poop offering Farage promised) and Remain would finally have some credibility as a political direction.

    I can’t understand why staunch remain advocates have an issue with this. Unless (like Watson) career or personal politics are at play. The only argument I’ve heard is ‘electability’ ..... again (as if we don’t remember the 2017 GE).

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