EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

i challenge you to find anyone here who wouldn't

Yes, dodging it is entirely rational. I think the issue is that with this lot it's the subsequent glorification of the event they've dodged.

Yeah, poor people dodging drafts is cowardice, these cunts would have get out of war free cards.

In a time of all out war? I think you'd be surprised.

Heading off to the Algerian War? Probably less so.

My inferred hypocrisy and judgement of them still stands. I'm yet to meet someone who's served who apes the bravery and glory of others death on the battle field the way those cunts do.

yup. "bring back national service!"

just not for me. or my kids.

I know somebody served and is always posting on Instagram about what an honour it was to serve on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan. He calls himself a soldier and likes to imply that he killed for his country and has PTSD as a result. He used to work for me.

The funny thing is that he never found out that the army told me that he was an HR admin assistant who literally never left camp when I checked his references.

Combat spreadsheets.

You mean his comments on settled status/come back to Poland?

Well, I am seriously considering applying for citizenship myself as I wrote in the OP and I don't trust the HO. Not all rights are guaranteed either, Brits in Europe that do cross-border work and people with non Eu partners than can stay under EU rights, Brits that need to bring their partners back after Brexit etc. are not in a good position atm.

It is not clear yet what causes the drop from settled status to pre-settled status, the app often can't find all the data so then you have an option to get to settled status by uploading more info.

But often people miss it. However, since the HO is so opaque we don't know if it is just that and it can be sorted easish, or if there is something more sinister going on.

He's right that anybody that does NOT register in time is in serious trouble and the UK should really change the law and make SS voluntary, not mandatory. It is impossible to register everyone by 2020.

The 3million/british in europe have been pushing for changes for ages

Yep this bovine/porcine dumbster is even a Privy Councillor!

How many HR admin assistants does it take to vlookup whether grid co-ordinates contain a school or not?

YOU DON'T KNOW MAN, YOU WEREN'T THERE.

I did four years in the SAS but left because the balaclava made me itchy and I think Brexit is stupid.

How many HR admin assistants does it take to vlookup whether grid co-ordinates contain a school or not?

YOU DON'T KNOW MAN, YOU WEREN'T THERE

#muchrep

Rep indeed

Jesus Chris!

“On the wider point, and I say this as an ex-Reservist officer myself, I absolutely believe >> that we can do this. When I served in the 1980s admittedly during the Cold War, "

He didn't join the regular armed forces (I wonder why not, given that 'the armed forces are in Francois’ blood and his gut') and, apparently, he didn't join the police either:

https://twitter.com/EssexPoliceUK/status/1174300972081979394

If anyone hasn't already seen it, I urge you to search for Francois' interaction with Will Self on BBC Politics Live earlier this year to get an insight of the intellect of the man.

Certainly, there were and are significant cultural and religious differences between the two nations, but I 've never brought the "Trainspotting " argument that the Scots were colonised by the English.

Both countries, at all levels, did well out of the Empire and were equally engaged. Where would the Empire have been without the intellectual power of the Edinburgh Enlightenment?

And what about the Darien Scheme...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49742567

"A farmer who appeared in an election broadcast by the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) has said he now regrets voting to leave the European Union."

Woops. Gets usual BS from the DUP

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49743845

EU peacefund funding at risk after a no-deal Brexit. What we have is only guaranteed until 2020. And it is not clear if the Westminster government will renew it (they say they will, but for how much? the whole amount?) and if they can cope with the demand with everybody having to change over to their scheme.

Double cuffs with a kevlar vest, for those semi-formal stabbing events.

And what about the Darien Scheme...

Mate, I can't really be arsed engaging much further on this: you have your position and from my perspective it's not founded on an honest or informed appreciation of either fact or history.

Point in case "what about the Darien scheme": this was THE financial mechanism used by the English to put those Scottish titled landowners in a position where they would assent to a political Union, by encouraging the scheme in partnership with English investment, then pulling out at the last minute (once so much money was committed that not proceeding was going to create huge losses) then using the English navy to actually blockade the Darien settlement to ensure it failed, basically bankrupting the investors and crashing the Scottish economy. Sound like a spirit of partnership and equal good will? Those Scottish nobles were then strong armed into Union to save their own fortunes, lands and titles (let's not forget, bankrupts back in the day were also jailed and shamed) and effectively stole land and political power from the general population by inventing legal deeds to it. Again, I refer you to Andy Whiteman's book 'The Poor Had No Lawyers'.

So yeah. Some Scots did well out of Union, but not so many as you seem to like to believe: the Highlands were effectively cleared of people to the extent it is now recognised as a cultural genocide, and lowland Scots were likewise forced into horrific conditions brought about by industrialization. Hundreds of thousands had to emigrate to colonies, families broken apart, death from disease and poverty... Again, this sets the scene for enduring social and economic conditions throughout the country and in ex-industrial cities like Glasgow in particular with some of the highest mortality and lowest life expectancy rates in the first world through social conditions, drugs, murder... Your Trainspotting analogy seems to miss the point.

But yeah. Keep looking at it through your Union Jack tinted glasses if you like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJdZNPD2PUo

Some interesting insights in the Cameron ITV book promo: https://www.itv.com/hub/the-cameron-interview/2a7688a0001

Brexity bits from around 13mins.

Supreme Court case - Supposing they find that the proroguing was illegal and therefore didn't happen, as you were, parliament recalled. Given that it didn't really work for Johnson anyway (Benn Bill still went through) what is to stop this:
Remainy gang still don't want GE before 31st Oct, so Johnson limps on. Pretends a deal is getting closer. Comes back from the summit mid Oct - soz, no deal happening. Prorogues parliament again on 24th Oct, just for a week and resigns so he doesn't have to hand in the extension request. Then we're out, GE happens and he rides back on a crest of Brexit party supporters.

^ I honestly can't let myself believe this

It's probably going to happen

this is fine.....

I didn't click on the headline when o saw it earlier but I believe Johnson has left the door open to not recalling parliament until the 14th if they lose anyway.

One other observation. I'm getting really tired of various journalists and commentators observing that if parliament was recalled next week, it'd not be well filled due to the party conferences.

Cancel the fucking party conferences! This is a time of national crisis.

Surely court case will be brought, courts will say "we just had a ruling on this case, you can't suspend Parliament for political reasons" and they'll be back the next day?

Depends on whether or not the court ruling hinges on the length of the prorogation I guess?

Also if Parliament goes back you'd hope maybe they'd have the foresight to legally remove the power to prorogue indefinitely from the PM, as it's clearly open to abuse.

Painfully obvious that I am not a lawyer so maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't seem to troubling to me

They’re now in the middle of conference season and would normally be suspended for those three weeks. So the courts might rule that parliament resumes the previous session with no queens speech the Monday after the Tory conference closes but they’d still have been shut for four of the desired five weeks.