EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

U wot mate

Is it just me...?

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Bloody Corbyn and his sensible and measured ideas.

Shame he's a Marxist terrorist sympathiser who is going to take all of our money.

lKR.

Brilliant!

I am glad Labour has finally come around...but do they really think the EU will re-open negotiations cos they are honest/reasonable? I think the EU is fed-up by now and it has bigger fish to fry as well.

So that may be a promise they can't keep, though they may know that.

Even if they don't renegotiate, which it seems they will if there are actual changes on our end, which is all they've been asking for for months, it's still a pledge to put forward whatever deal we've got against remain, that's basically what everyone who's a dirty traitorous remainer have been asking for until recently when Labour seemed like they'd go for it.

Oh I am happy enough, better late than never, I just wonder if it means they will get attacked when they fail cos the EU has made it very very clear the WA is what it is.

Unless they will walk in "can we stay in the CU/SM" which is comparatively little work for the EU/UK and removed the need for the backstop.

It it still tricky cos whatever you put to the vote needs approval of parliament...wait and see I guess.

I'm not sure about the better late than never stuff. Letting the tories have to actually fully own and deal with the whole shitshow themselves has shown up what incompetent, self serving bullshitters they are, and when opportunities have arised where doing stuff is necessary and productive, labour seems to have stepped in and done so, without being drawn into shouldering the blame.

Meh, triple whipping on A50 (Corbyn was the first to ask for this) when you are not in power but the Conservatives with lots of horrible politicies are, and doing that when with no plan proposed just because you are scared of the media that is gonna hate on you anyway...

...the SNP/Greens/Libdems and others said "ok show us the plan first" which to me sounds quite reasonable.

But the process is working, Labour activists have changed the party policies, the TUC has voiced its opinion, Corbyn is reluctantly coming around, I suppose that is democracy working as it should. I'll take it.

it has bigger fish to fry as well.

Realistically it doesn't. The impact on the UK is larger but the UK is also a huge market for the EU, has loads of EU citizens (and loads of UK citizens in the EU), the EU has to not fuck over Ireland, etc

Yeah, far from perfect, especially at the start, but think things have been done as well as can be.

All sorted (mostly, some citizen rights and FOM accross borders for the Brits in mainland EU have been lost thanks to May and he refusal to sort them all, Settled Status is fine in theory but with the HO in practice I feel safer with citizenship) with the WA.
The WA that the UK won't accept.

A no-deal is not ideal for the EU either and it will grant another exception, but I doubt they will have time for CakeIsm again. It will take the hit and give Ireland money (already in progress) rather than let the UK tail wag the dog.

But...a SM/CU compromise instead of the WA will go through I think with little issue.

"Mark Francois permanently exudes the air of every middle aged businessman you find in a Monday morning magistrates’ court list charged with careless driving, failing to provide a specimen of breath and obstructing a police constable."

https://twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1173981932264284160

he is Brian Butterfield made flesh.

You can all mock but he’s fought and died in every armed conflict Great Britain has ever had.

What could possibly go wrong when we're led by a workshy, incomprehending dumb fuck?

According to the New European podcast the human pepperami is most proud of his 'service' during the Cold War.

How he thinks he can sort something in a few months May could not do in 2 years, cha...

The Brexit tribalism (though I think enough Brexit voters see through this, but they don't make as much noise as the I really want my Brexit types) makes the blamegaming very easy.

Because it is never Brexits fault, always the EU/Ireland/Remainers...

Jesus Chris!

“On the wider point, and I say this as an ex-Reservist officer myself, I absolutely believe that we can do this. When I served in the 1980s admittedly during the Cold War, "

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/house/71897/forces-him

I don't know, the Polish ambassador isn't sounding so sure.

Same BS as Farage

All these faux-WW2'ers really push my buttons. Hearing them speak always brings to mind:

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Every one of them are the sort of cunts who'd have dodge conscription or ended up with some sort of "vital" government job well away from any danger.

to be fair, conscription dodging is a tough one to call someone on as going on the lam will probably result in you living longer.

in fact i challenge you to find anyone here who wouldn't, given half the chance.

squints