EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I suspect he was being facetious.

Having a threshold other than 50%+1 would have indeed been prudent in this case. The referendum was handled unbelievably poorly.

And now Tom Watson is advocating having another before a GE...LOL

Why’s that funny? Who seriously thinks a GE is a sensible way of resolving this? You could get a majority Tory govt with 32% of the popular vote pursuing a no deal Brexit. How is that democratic?

How is that democratic?

Durrr. It'll be the Will-o'-the-people!

The DUP is against the backstop, even though most of NI just fine with it (after NI voted Remain...so leave with backstop is already a compromise) another GE won't end that either if the DUP is back in power again.

And yes, unionists don't agree necessarily with the DUP either here...they may lose 3 seats out of 10

The DUP are irrelevant now that the Tories don't have a majority - anything they do requires either a GE first, or to get L/LD/SNP/BXP/TIG/I votes. Which is why they want a GE first, so they can ram whatever they want through (how they get that majority doubtless being part of Cummings Super Cunning Plan).

What will the question be? How will it get decided? Is there even a majority for a referendum?

Not to be partisan or anything but I see the hand wringing over disregarding the brexit result and how it has to be respected etc and then folk interceding with "oh dirty tricks, population change, wasn't clear, etc..."

and then think of the IndyRef in 2014:

UK Gov used same dirty tricks VoteLeave did, indeed, possible Cambridge Analytica involved then too (nobody seems to care enough to press the issue)

UK Gov made same over blown promises Vote Leave did: indeed if you believe Cameron and Brown's "vow" Scotland would be a federal state now

But instead of the hand wringing and objections and protest we see over Brexit, what we got then is Cameron fresh from 'love bombing' Scotland with grade B celebs like Eddy 'I like to visit the Fringe and do a Scotch accent' Izzard using his post referendum speech to say the real lesson that the Scottish independence issue taught us is that England needs it's own parliament, and EVEL was coined instead of any of the promised reforms for devolution.

No objections from the UK electorate then, indeed, like Brexiteers most were content to crow "you lost get over it" at any objections to promises being broken or purdah being ignored... and we see where EVEL has taken us eh?

So yeah. A fair measure of hubris happening on all levels and I hope outraged Remain voters give pause to mull over how much thought they gave to it at the time. I just hope that at the end of it lies an Independent Scotland with EU membership so we can be free of all the archaic, dysfunctional and self serving elitist bullshit that the UK parliament is entrenched in.

Depends on who is in power, but given that the EU will have to agree to an extension for the ref to happen I imagine that we would have to get our choices approved - so likely WA vs Remain.

That won’t go down very well.

All of this is like swallowing the sick down.

All of this is like swallowing the sick down.

Whilst on the shitter with the runs

That won’t go down very well.

We have little to no leverage, and we've pissed any goodwill up the wall.

Ultimately, in dealing with the EU as a third country (or an incipient one) we'll take what we're given. Thank Cameron and the idiots who voted Brexit for putting us in this situation.

Or Dom and Dommer as John Crace calls him, so far none of his plans worked out that well :)

No GE, no dirty data tricks and propaganda...that's all he is good for.

Scottish Court of Sessions rules the Government acted unlawfully in proroguing Parliament.

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All a bit meaningless as the Supreme Court are deciding the Scottish and English cases next week. This is just the sweaties having their wee moment in the sun and like their summers its short lived.

Not necessarily meaningless as it provides another string to the SNP's bow when they argue for another independence referendum and obviously during the campaign as well.

Out of curiosity could this end up being settled in the EHCR? Can you imagine the howls of rage from the gammon folk if it did and the EHCR ruled against Johnson!

It's also a legal judgement that states Mogg lied to the Queen.

Lock him up in the Tower of London for treason?

Don't think it has helped the government's case that they prorogued as early as they could (Monday rather than Thursday) having gone on about it being 'only' 5 days, but now is the longest since 1930.

It states that they have inferred he lied to the queen, not that he did. Still, I’m sure in the era he lives in that is punishable by either being hung drawn and quartered or burned at the stake. Smithfield seems appropriate for this to be resolved, someone sharpen her quill.

Lock him up in the Tower of London for treason?

Stocks, parliament square.

I’ll take David Allen Green’s opinion on constitutional law over yours I think. Unless you are a secret constitutional law geek in your spare time?

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That won’t go down very well.

But a ‘won’ GE would precede the referendum. The referendum and terms being a manifesto promise.

It’s at worst equally as democratic as the current situation. The likelihood is Boris is bluffing about a deal and/or just failing miserably ... I don’t think there is a mandate for that.

Edit {In response to ‘not going down well’ domestically, but perhaps you meant with the EU27}