EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

It was good seeing Peter Mandelson on News night last night making the often over looked point that, yes a lot of Labour seats in the midlands and North voted leave, but the majority of Labour voters in those seats voted remain. If the Tories / brexit party want to win those seats they'll need rebuild leave voting coalition.

Black cocks is still my favourite.

Is this some sort of callback to your MSM obsession from the memes thread?

Oh wait or was that chrisbmx116 ?

Is that some sort of reference to the house thread and nobody being able to tell the avatars apart?

Might all London go yellow?

Tottenham won't unless Lammy defects to the Lib Dems or stands down and advised his supporters to vote Lib Dem. Can't see either happening but we are in strange times...

Might all London go yellow?

no chance in Lewisham East, by-elections swing was +20%, lib dems would need that plus 25%

He won't but Stella Creasy ..

I can't see it. Labour have some massive majorities in London. There are plenty of seats where they are 30-40,000 seats ahead of the Lib Dems.

Lots of people just don't care about Brexit that much.

Lots of people just don't care about Brexit that much.

I doubt that is the case in London.

Could be because Lib Dems are cunts and natural home for defecting Tories(?) and the voters can see that.

If parliament passes May with NI backstop then would there need to be an extension? We’d be straight into transition having left.

Johnson would be able to say we had left - but the method would allow Brexit party to campaign against him for not leaving properly.

I guess the other parties would have to campaign on future relationship then, but I’m unsure Johnson would have got man of the people against the elites story that (we think) he wants to campaign on.

If that scenario does play out we then face the problem that the transition is around 7 years too short to sort out our future relationship, so we’ll need an extension to the transition- and before that a mechanism for said extension.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/knightlancer/boxing-should-be-brawl-blacks

Not to mention all the people that were students and voted for Clegg only for him to instantly triple the fees.

Clegg

https://is-a-cunt.com/2018/10/nick-clegg-11/

re Extension - not sure. I don't know if there is time post-summit / pre-31st Oct to get a deal fully ratified, but you may be right.
In that scenario, assuming Johnson still wants GE, the extreme frothers would go to BXP, but the vast majority of normal leavers would stick with Tories and results would be similar to polls now I think. Libs support would maybe evaporate and we'd be back to mostly 2 party politics. Maybe Tory slim majority?
But, yeah - transition would go on forever alongside the sudden realisation we're a bit worse off/not fully out (depending on your viewpoint). And Northern Ireland? Who knows.
Shit show.

re:libdems

There are also a lot of people (in London and elsewhere) who, despite being opposed to Brexit, wouldn't vote for a party that has no concern/policy for the 50ish% of the population who who support it.

As andyp says, a second referendum may be problematic in a representative democracy, but at least it can be pitched as a followup referendum with actual informed options being proposed. Just ignoring the referendum (even if legally legitimate) seems imprudent to me.

sounds just like boris - pinching May's deal and saying he came up with it/made it a success

I doubt that is the case in London.

I'd suspect it still is. Lots of people just aren't that politically engaged. Look at turnouts for things like the EU elections, London still only had about 40% turnout.

Yes. I felt it tied in quite neatly to your BBC comment and Chris' men who have sex with men thing.

Anyway in other news, huge if true etc. https://newsthump.com/2019/09/09/lib-dems-accused-of-unfair-tactics-following-revelations-they-dont-treat-their-mps-like-shit/

I did wonder if that "Do not prorogue Parliament" petition could have got a lot more signatures if it wasn't bundled with "unless extend A50 or revoke". Made it harder for both Brexiters and Remainers to unite in their disapproval.
I feel like there must be some way of using the awfulness of BJ as PM to bring people together...

Could be because Lib Dems are cunts

In what sense? Supporting the environment, reducing taxation on the poorest, reducing class sizes and trying to cut wastage in areas of huge public expenditure?

2001

2010

2015

reducing taxation on the poorest

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11812/nick_clegg/sheffield%2C_hallam/divisions?policy=6672

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10084/vincent_cable/twickenham/divisions?policy=6670

Supporting the environment

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11812/nick_clegg/sheffield%2C_hallam/divisions?policy=6693

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11971/jo_swinson/east_dunbartonshire/divisions?policy=6697

Manifesto ≠ Voting record

If that was the case, this video shouldn't exist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S8EqyjgvBI

even st swinson was pro student fees and against the raising of the minimum wage.

They are the worst kind of snakes, at least with tories they are upfront about fucking up the poor