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OK, thanks for that!
In case anybody is interested how a Xtracycle Kickback 3 fits on a Surly Big Dummy frame, pretty good, only 2 about 35mm long M5 screws needed, and some frame protection (I used pond foil and electric tape -HAHA TUBELESS GUY HAS NO SPARE TYRES - no, would have had tyres):