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There was even a withdrawal agreement with the EU :-)
But not really, as it has not passed parliament. May made a stupid mistake by not involved all parties and everybody that voted to invoke A50 without parliament also made a stupid mistake, why vote for something big before seeing any sort of plan. Amazing.
Are you going to let the presentation or leadership style of May put you off the deal?
Threats to bypass parliament are pretty serious stuff.
How does that change what happens next?
Well, actually...it can a lot. The government is not setup to deal with something as big as Brexit that can run over several governments. Breaking trust is not going to help there.
Too much faith was put on amendments a/ passing and b/ holding any weight again due to a disconnect, a miss-reading of the political climate outside Westminster
The climate that now polls towards Remain?
But yes, that is now the past. Going forward I think first thing is that parliament has to get back control and sneaking out a Brexit w/o approval should be stopped.
Then hurdle two if there is a GE...ask the EU for an extension. Again, parliament may have to force it.
Ideally, not a GE because Labour looks like they are going to lose big time and it it not even likely yet that the LibDems will get enough votes for a coalition with Labour (akwards silences during negotiations to follow)
Perhaps another round of votes (the EU will sign up to a CU/SM agreement pretty quickly I think and no backstop is needed for that, so, em, everybody wins? Brexit done, not too much damage to the UK...) will happen, but it all depends on what will happen in September.
Perhaps the WA is revived and put to a public vote VS Remain/No Deal <-- really...but that may happen and then another "fun" campaign follows.
For everyone's sake and sanity and peace a SM/CU Brexit is my preference, I really rather Remain but it is going to eat up more time (and the UK has some big issues to sort) and then hopefully we can move on.
But if there IS another vote, well I am waiting on citizenship acceptance and then I will go round the doors to get people to vote. Which will be "fun" in some Belfast areas :)
JWestland-
The climate that now polls towards Remain?
Thankyou for the example of tone deaf reading of what the polls show;
- The Conservatives at 40%.
- Labour at 27%.
- 50% would support a second ref.
- 20% support No Deal
- little support for an extension
- little support for a GNU
My guess is you see that and are drawn to 50% supporting a 2nd ref? Amiright? But a 2nd ref contains splits over what choices and arguably is not an outcome in itself.
I see the polls reflecting a country desperate for Britain to shit or get off the pot. Reaching for Boris (for leavers and casual believers) or a 2nd ref (for remainers and the agnostics/materialists).
Maybe I’m reading too much into it :D
- The Conservatives at 40%.
miro_o
We should all be discussing this in terms of actions going forward. To argue this ^ ... what kind of response are you hoping for? A shrug? It’s of no use. None of us are privy to all the facts on every political issue. In politics you have to work with peoples beliefs as they are first, as you’d like them to be, perhaps another day.
Sorry to be glib but ... one course of action is leaving the EU. That’s what was asked for. There was even a withdrawal agreement with the EU :-)
Yes, how horrible. But so what? How does that change what happens next? Are you going to let the presentation or leadership style of May put you off the deal? And usher in a decade of entrenched ‘anti globalist’ zealots? That would be extremely stupid.
Yes and I’m not saying they shouldn’t have tried. Too much faith was put on amendments a/ passing and b/ holding any weight again due to a disconnect, a miss-reading of the political climate outside Westminster.