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@BleakRefs If you are left leaning, pro freedom of movement etc all realistic outcomes post referendum are not nice. MPs should have voted for May’s deal if nothing else was feasible with the foresight that harder versions of Brexit were likely. They made their respective political calculations and largely voted against a withdrawal agreement.
There's a significant difference between 'not nice' and 'people dying unnecessarily because they can't get the drugs they need'. And I think while your view is correct with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, MPs don't in fact have foresight. May owns more of the blame here than they do.
ReekBlefs-
There's a significant difference between 'not nice' and 'people dying unnecessarily because they can't get the drugs they need'.
Not on a national population level. The latter is already a figure that exists. Let’s keep explicitly emotive arguments in perspective.
And I think while your view is correct with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, MPs don't in fact have foresight. May owns more of the blame here than they do.
I called it from day one. Magic grandpa’s position was pragmatic but he got drowned out my the majority of Labour MPs and members (I mean ... you can only fight that for so long).
I agree about the lack of foresight!
May was useless (and hamstrung by her horrible pact with the DUP and weak position) but more than anything the failure of those on the left to acknowledge and respond to the direction of travel has been a shame.
miro_o
Yes @andyp of course the ref was ill conceived and the advice based on a house of cards. Again. Does not change the political reality.
Why do you bring up A50? That’s a statement of intent... which has not been carried through. Doesn’t that compound my point?
@BleakRefs If you are left leaning, pro freedom of movement etc all realistic outcomes post referendum are not nice. MPs should have voted for May’s deal if nothing else was feasible with the foresight that harder versions of Brexit were likely. They made their respective political calculations and largely voted against a withdrawal agreement.
No ‘proposal’ since May’s deal has been better for peace in NI.
This result (no deal via a wrecking ball Boris) was entirely predicted.