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But you can also argue that is appeasement of something based on lies and threats that cannot be delivered. There is no "Brexit that works for jobs/one that stops the furrin's/one that gives the UK more sovereignity..."
The behaviour of May (invoking A50 and bypassing parliament and all sorts) hasn't exactly been of a good standard.
"Do vote for this, or you get Boris" is not really an argument, but a threat.
And some of the proposals for alternatives to the WA/stopping a hard Brexit failed on a few votes.
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"Do vote for this, or you get Boris" is not really an argument, but a threat.
Yes! It's moral blackmail and it should be beneath us
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But you can also argue that is appeasement of something based on lies and threats that cannot be delivered. There is no "Brexit that works for jobs/one that stops the furrin's/one that gives the UK more sovereignity..."
We should all be discussing this in terms of actions going forward. To argue this ^ ... what kind of response are you hoping for? A shrug? It’s of no use. None of us are privy to all the facts on every political issue. In politics you have to work with peoples beliefs as they are first, as you’d like them to be, perhaps another day.
Sorry to be glib but ... one course of action is leaving the EU. That’s what was asked for. There was even a withdrawal agreement with the EU :-)
The behaviour of May (invoking A50 and bypassing parliament and all sorts) hasn't exactly been of a good standard.
"Don't vote for this, or you get Boris" is not really an argument, but a threat.
Yes, how horrible. But so what? How does that change what happens next? Are you going to let the presentation or leadership style of May put you off the deal? And usher in a decade of entrenched ‘anti globalist’ zealots? That would be extremely stupid.
And some of the proposals for alternatives to the WA/stopping a hard Brexit failed on a few votes.
Yes and I’m not saying they shouldn’t have tried. Too much faith was put on amendments a/ passing and b/ holding any weight again due to a disconnect, a miss-reading of the political climate outside Westminster.
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Yes @andyp of course the ref was ill conceived and the advice based on a house of cards. Again. Does not change the political reality.
Why do you bring up A50? That’s a statement of intent... which has not been carried through. Doesn’t that compound my point?
@BleakRefs If you are left leaning, pro freedom of movement etc all realistic outcomes post referendum are not nice. MPs should have voted for May’s deal if nothing else was feasible with the foresight that harder versions of Brexit were likely. They made their respective political calculations and largely voted against a withdrawal agreement.
No ‘proposal’ since May’s deal has been better for peace in NI.
This result (no deal via a wrecking ball Boris) was entirely predicted.