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Pffff.... where did I mention conspiracies?
The first two paras of your previous comment. I think? Conspiracies exist. For example Gove’s relationship with The Mail. The point is that it’s indulgent and useless whining about all of that because it doesn’t change any minds.
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Except those in charge let "the people" say whatever they want them to say. We are all "the people". But somehow only when it suits.
And the UK press fact free fear mongering, how can you quell fears that are a fantasy?
miro_o-
I don't know if you have missed it... but somehow judges are now "the enemy of the people" (sorta standard the Sun really) but now the rhetorics of the -government- (not all MPs) is quite messed up atm.
I don't really see how that is a conspiracy theory, it is in plain sight.
Because it all blamed on "Ireland" "Remainers" whatever, and when such groups air fears it is "project fear".
I'd hope that anybody invoking "the people" would actually try to get everyone on board. Not just a subgroup and then shout down everyone else.
As for immigration bullshit Charlie Brooker's newswipe section from ages ago, well it hasn't really changed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jai4v4aNe-s
But, I'm all for more input of everyone. The ROI referendum system is quite sound, citizen groups work really well. I am just extremely wary of the "UK first WILL OF THE PEOPLE" sort of cherrypicking.
JWestland
Pffff.... where did I mention conspiracies?
Simple example: Immigration. Dog whistling about Turkey (leave.eu), uncontrolled immigration (is it though), conflating refugees/EU immigrants... that is driving a conversation to go somewhere they want it to go.
Not: Hm is Immigration lowering wages? Good question. Let's do research. Oh. Actually it's a really complex picture. By then all the fear creation has already been done.
So you go from not complete baseless fair enough fears translatable into direct policies into a glut of underbelly vagueness.
And on immigration...turns out the UK attitudes are very positive ATM. Yet "the will of the people" is still in time at stuck at Farage and his posters.