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Ok, so that distils the argument perfectly. Whilst I obviously don't think it's wrong to ask for help, the one-way transaction of money muddies the waters. I would feel deeply uncomfortable asking for cash to fulfil an ambition that stood to only benefit me financially. I believe that Scott may have had a moral imperative to reciprocate in kind and not doing so might be imposing on a supportive community. Is it possible to simultaneously want to support someone and be taken advantage of? Obviously Scott made it clear he would be giving nothing back, but does this absolve of a duty to do so? Also does he have a responsibility to spend people's money diligently and produce a plan. Now I am not absolutely wedded to the position, but still believe it to be a valid question and only became entrenched because it was met with insults rather than discussion. I don't see the problem with asking these questions in response to a public post, I am consciously not telling anyone what to do. I can't really see how the vitriol is merited, but understand people may disagree with the position I have taken. What really annoyed me was the initial rush to quell the discussion by people who are obviously friends with him. This is a public forum and I'm not sure there is anything wrong with asking him to explain himself and finding said explanation unconvincing.
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Obviously Scott made it clear he would be giving nothing back, but does this absolve of a duty to do so?
Yes. Whether he will or not depends on a bunch of things that don't matter to the question.
Now I am not absolutely wedded to the position, but still believe it to be a valid question and only became entrenched because it was met with insults rather than discussion.
It was discussed, you were told you were wrong, you continued trying to argue what is essentially an opinion about not being altruistic or things only being valid based on exchange, whether monetary or in kind. I find people who act like the world is only a money driven market quite irksome, and as a group, at fault for a lot of the worlds problems, maybe that's not you but it's the only thing you seem focused on, and makes you seem like a cunt, others may feel similarly. A post in another thread about cats or an opinion on that guy from mamnick being a racist and you may have been given more cunt leeway, but you've generally just hung around in this thread gradually irritating more and more people, with none seemingly agreeing with you.
This is a public forum and I'm not sure there is anything wrong with asking him to explain himself and finding said explanation unconvincing.
Indeed, but you could've said that and fucked off about 3 pages ago and it'll be the one guy's opinion that no one else agrees with and left at that, but you seem insistent that if you keep saying you find it unconvincing for no actual reasons people will agree with you, when mainly it makes them call you a cunt.
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If I give you a gift can I then instruct you on what you can do with it, and ask for updates to ensure compliance?
Doesn’t sound like a gift to me, that sounds like I’ve purchased some power over you in the act of giving you the money/item.
If you asked me for money for a train fare then spent the cash on a haircut I might feel taken advantage of. If you asked me for money to help with getting a new job then spent the cash on things associated with that goal, not so much.
Which of those two scenarios is most like what is happening here?
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the one-way transaction of money muddies the waters.
It doesn’t and it’s not even a transaction, from the Cambridge dictionary (you have to pay to access the OED);
transaction
noun [ C or U ] UK /trænˈzæk.ʃən/ US /trænˈzæk.ʃən/
C1 an occasion when someone buys or sells something, or when money is exchanged for the activity of buying or selling somethingNothing was bought, nothing was sold. Donations were made. It’s different.
“I would feel deeply uncomfortable asking for cash to fulfil an ambition that stood to only benefit me financially.”
This just further proves how disconnected and clueless you are.
Scott is well known for his generosity in support of courier and community events.
Additionally, the benefit of having a creative outlet will, I imagine, have an impact on Scott’s life that arguably dwarves the financial side of the business.
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What, fundamentally, is wrong with that as long as everyone is clear about it?
I’d also point out that it’s not true that this is only a one way transaction- aiding Scott does benefit this community, which may be intangible but is no less real for that.
There seems to be a strong theme of it being wrong to ask for help in your posts- I’d suggest that there’s nothing wrong with so doing, and I’d like to hear a reasoned explanation of why you think asking for help is morally wrong as it appears to be the core of your argument.