New/amateur/garage/kitchen framebuilding discussion

His video's are really good! Really generous of him to share all that knowledge on youtube.

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i have plans and 3d cad on my website to build your own, or you can buy one but we don't punt stuff on forums really

ill be honest here I have a lot of time for Richard and he has always been a solid dependable guy in my book ,wether I have differences with him disagreed, agreed or anything else, the guy has been stood in front of a bench before I was even born and for that reason alone i have respect for his opinions even if i dont align myself with them

certainly carved his own path by enabling himself with tubes and lugs of his own design and making for a custom thing rather than the current crop of clones that buy the same stuff from the same people and then pretend they have something special that the next guy cant make (and im talking about a certain subset of circle jerks that all hang around in the UK at a particular show giving each other awards)

As for the rest of the horde there the llewllynS and Estlunds etc (note the ones I haven't mentioned its more that I cant even remember who you are)that frequent that place yes complete circle jerk from people I wouldn't give the time of day now ive seen their true colours and I spent a lot of time on that place.

Yeah i mean ultimately i don't know any of these people in real life, i'm sure their all probably a solid lot if you ran into them in the pub. Sometimes it gets a bit weird on VS but that's part and parcel with the internet as a whole i guess, its hard to convey emotions etc in text and sometimes people can get the wrong idea.

I like the framebuilding forum on MTBR, very handy and kind of active. Lots of good info on there about a bunch of stuff, though mainly MTB oriented.

I got you, I was just trying to get across the fact he's pretty fair ,though for the life of me I never got why he felt the need to start a cool bro's forum (after the old frameforum died) the guy had his own history and reputation ...I don't recall ever asking him either so will probably never know

Just got these nice tube blocks from a guy selling all his stuff in the framebuilders Google group ✨

I'll start welding up loads of t-junctions soon. Exciting!

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BOC distro in London is shite it seems so went to air products, 300 bar, 80 quid a pop (plus 40 for delivery) and three deliveries a week for anyone looking in the smoke.

What website?

80 quidz is good

most any engineering stuff dahn lahndan is shite though no? Something to do with it being geared up for city bankers😀

Anyone got insurance?

Third party liability type stuff?

As I’m starting to do things for people other than myself I’m thinking I should probably get something sorted but don’t really know where to start.

I'd start with being confident in your work before you start selling to anyone else. Don't make your problems theirs, unless the person you're selling to understands the risk and is willing to accept that beforehand. Maybe some sort of terms of sale type document could do the job?

There was a thread in one of the bigger framebuilding fbook threads on insurance and whatnot. It was quite a while ago, i just had a quick look but i cant find it. Had a lot of useful info if you can dig it out

Also, does anyone want any 2mm sif 101? i have most of a kilo of rods that i dont really use and i doubt im gonna be filletbrazing a frame any time soon, i like tig now...

Yours for £20

I wouldn’t mind that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM2_LBvzg6c

Does this mean I can do braze-ons with my TIG welder?

Few years ago I saw an article about a guy who built motorbike frames only by tig brazing. They looked awesome.

I’ve never welded with silicone bronze but have been meaning to for years. Braze ons would be ideal for this. A bike with 100% tig brazing would look sick. Another thing I’ve been meaning to do for years

Second dibs

Pretty cool stuff

Sorry folks but the guy who built that said it wasn't tig....was good old oxy and a gas fluxer even has a video online showing how he does it from memory.

I don't know if this was the work of the guy @Dogtemple reffered to or if you're referring to the image I posted. Just plucked it from the interwebs and assumed it was tig brazed https://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?571431-Silicon-bronze

yes the blokes name is Jon sims hes english and works for a compay called trident engineering they make xr69 frames... he said himself its oxy fuel brazed in his workshop not tig brazed as a lot of folks assumed and posted on various welding forums over the years

the other guy who does it also oxy fuels them and hes just up the road from me and was taught by brian curtis , again makes xr69 frames

so there you go no tig needed go forth and emulate

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Wow. I just googled 'xr69 frame' and got some amazin' brazin' images.

I'd start with being confident in your work before you start selling to anyone else.

I'm getting pretty confident in my work. Certainly a lot more confident now that what I was when I built my first frame, first ride on it was on the (virtually empty) velodrome and I just kept thinking it was going to collapse under me!

More recently I built some bullmoose mtb bars and just took them straight to the trails and off the biggest drops I could find. Didn't hold back on throwing myself off/down stuff on the klunker frame I built too.

However, I'm equally as confident in people's abilities to mistreat/misuse/abuse things...

Yeah I wondered about the terms of sale kind of thing too. Might be hard to do it in a way that wasn't too off putting though.

Found some stuff on some forums.

Was pretty depressing tbh.

Like, the advice was either pay up before you sell your first frame and accept you'll be paying premiums for the rest of you/your frames lives or fuck it all off because insurance policies aren't actually worth the paper they are printed on.

I thought learning the skills of framebuilding would be difficult (and obviously I'm years from mastering those) but navigating the red tape seems like a far harder (and much less fun) task.

I've booked myself on a business gateway startup seminar and contacted them to see if there's an advisor I can chat with about this stuff.

A bike with 100% tig brazing would look sick

I’m thinking, once it’s painted it’ll look like an aluminum frame, no?