EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

It is still apparently being investigated by the Conservative Party, just not the cabinet office. I'm not sure if the cabinet office normally investigates misdemeanours of all MPs, or only those ones with official government roles.

The fact it is still being investigated is generally glossed over in the reporting, in favour of the headline that the cabinet office has dropped it's investigation.

Regardless, I think the chances of him losing the whip on this is around zero. Police aren't taking it further so he'll get a public slap on the wrist, but nothing further. As shameful as it was, nothing will come of it.

Fuuuuuck. Can I change my mind please?

All that extra sovereignty has already cost each man, woman and child £1000...

Great value for money.

but please don't keep trying to keep alive the lie that we will be better off after brexit.

Literally what brexit party is doing right now; esp that BAME ad.

We don't care where you're from, or what your background is. If you believe in democracy come and stand for The Brexit

On face value they have pivoted from being the racist party, like the tories did few years ago.

Thanks, that wasn't clear to me from the article.

It does make you wonder why it should only be the party investigating the conduct of MPs not in government, instead of the Parliamentary authorities, too. There should surely be an independent office on that. Oh well, we've seen how well that has been going with Acoba ...

Don't fall for Matt's Remoaner Project Fear nonsense. He probably made that up in MS Paint.

Border fun:

https://twitter.com/marksugruek/status/1155957402312663041?s=19

From that list of Brexit Party FB ads upthread... this is possibly the worst, most evil looking picture I've seen of him.

Why are there no mass protests against the government’s No Deal plans?

That segment of the population that firmly sees Brexit as a dangerous enterprise has been protesting regularly for some time. Of the rest,

1. a significant portion of them want Brexit no matter what the cost (see the recent Tory membership polls where people were willing to see almost everything destroyed to make Brexit happen).
   
2. A lot of people still don't know who to believe
   
3. A lot of people (some overlap with above) are just hoping we'll muddle through
   
   

Since war metaphors are being inappropriately applied to Brexit all over the place, you could say we're still in the phoney war stage. Most people won't believe it's a disaster till it happens. And even then, Brexiters have their Stab in the back myth well rehearsed; they've been blaming remainers for all the problems so far and won't stop when it goes tits-up.

the only explanation for me is that many people do in fact continue to believe in a form of British exceptionalism

All nationalism is a form of insert country here exceptionalism,.

Brilliant.

Not sure I agree that street protest is completely ineffectual today. It is just difficult to measure its impact. The Extinction rebellion protests have massively elevated the topic in the media and the political establishment had to acknowledge it for example. From a historical point of view, most revolutions have failed in their immediate objectives, but no one would deny that the Haitian revolution has contributed to the end of slavery far beyond Haiti. If hundreds of thousand people were to voice their concerns in Westminster once a week till October, no one would dare pursue no deal. I understand that we all want to get on with our lives, but it’s our lives that are going to be affected by crashing out.

It's ok. I realise this thread is one of the most toxic echo chamber of the internet.

I realise this thread is one of the most toxic echo chamber of the internet.

Where are the corresponding pro-Brexit echo chambers?

BBC?

Facebonk?

TalkRadio between about 5am and lunchtime.

Sajid Javid has started referring to the back stop as the "undemocratic back stop". Unless he's proposing that the Johnson government's shiny new deal (whenever it happens) has to be approved by a referendum, I suppose he's just talking nonsense.

It was negotiated by our elected representatives, you moron.

It's a Cummings thing - absolutely everyone in the Tory government are using the same phrase.

But.... their party just negotiated it six months ago. In fact, it was Raab who was holding the potato at the time wasn't it...

Edit: Didn't Sajid Javid vote for the deal when he was Home Secretary. Didn't Johnson in the end?

We're beyond facts now.

Didn't Sajid Javid vote for the deal when he was Home Secretary.

On 12 March, yes.

Didn't Johnson in the end?

Not on 12 March.

https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2019-03-12&number=354&display=allvotes&sort=name

Facebonk?

That's a little non-specific.

He (Johnson) voted for it on the third go. Patel maybe never did, all the rest did. Still, Johnson having felt free to vote both for and against it, I'd hardly suggest it was undemocratic.

Well...there was an interesting thread on this. It -may- be -somewhat- undemocratic as it gives the EU, which the UK then has left, a little bit of say.

And the UK government can maybe work something out.

However such semantics don't go down very well with me ATM as many others have been happily ignored by the brexit team.

It's very much the letter if democracy rather than the spirit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1156469384652701697

Thread referencing the democratic bit and comments of UK attorney general. Supporter of backstop.

It won't come into play until 2023 anyway if nothing else if found...