• The name?

    Surly have always been innovators, trying to offer something that the giant brands don't eg they've been doing clearance for fatter tyres for years before it's become the norm. OK they're not pushing the boundaries of technology but it's unfair to say that they're not trying different things and offering something a bit niche. And as has been said, you pay for smaller production batches. The whole market has sorta invaded their space with gravel bikes and ever wider tyres becoming the norm now but for me the midnight special was still the only frameset I could buy (without waiting an eternity for custom) that ticked all my specific wants. So for me it offered good value in terms of my immediate need for a bike (having been dicked about royally by another manufacturer) and also price.

    But if its not for everyone, that's fine too. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

    I love riding mine.

  • Yes, can’t deny any of your comments about Surly and I always take a look at what they doing because it is normally a little different to everybody else. The midnight frame is nice, but from me that fork you so ugly I couldn’t pay any more than 500 quid and take a fork is a throwaway item to swap out for some carbon fibre

    And yes individuals choose what they buy and if you’re happy with it that’s all that matters!

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