• So when Milliband was leader, labour was ok, but when Corbyn takes over, it's got a deeply held institutional problem with anti-Semitism?

    I can't say either way, I just find it coincidental that this became a stick to beat Corbyn with after several failed putsches from the Blairite wing of the party, a title that serves both them and the opposition very well in making Corbyn appear even more divisive and unelectable. The way the investigation is being conducted is also strange-contacting over a hundred people for response rather than asking people with concerns to approach investigators.

    Anyway, apparently the UN is also an anti-Semitic organisation because it tabled motions denouncing Israel's indescriminate killing of Palestinian civilians. If that's the current threshold for being an anti Semite I find that troubling.

  • Anyway, apparently the UN is also an anti-Semitic organisation because it tabled motions denouncing Israel's indescriminate killing of Palestinian civilians. If that's the current threshold for being an anti Semite I find that troubling.

    The fact that this attack line is still being repeated shows precisely how poor the Labour leadership's response to antisemitism is in terms of educating its base.

    Criticising Israeli foreign policy is not, in itself, antisemitic. It never has been. It's a straw man.

    Criticising Israeli foreign policy by invoking antisemitic conspiracy theories IS antisemitic. It always has been. And Corbyn types are the ones who tend to tip over into this kind of thing most often.

    It's like when Obama was president; it's not racist to say he was a shite president, but it would've been racist to say he was a shite president because his Kenyan ancestry somehow prevented him from being a proud American. One's racist, one isn't. It's quite clear.

    And changing the subject to Israel or Zionists when we're talking about the experience of British Jews in Labour is...perhaps not antisemitic, but at the very least it's whataboutery. We're talking about Labour. Let's talk about Labour.

    If you want a separate conversation about Israeli foreign policy I will gladly slag it off with you - Netynyahu is a headbanger and I'm 100% in favour of Palestinian rights - but lets not conflate the two.

  • I referred to Labour: under Milliband there was no accusations of anti-Semitism except when he initially proclaimed himself a Zionist then (in typical Milliband fashion) back-tracked the next day. I find it strange that as soon as Corbyn is at the helm it is then deemed to have a profound and institutionalised problem, and this makes the accusations (against a man who has a track record of solidarity with antiracist causes and links to the Jewish community) seem gratuitous.

    Undeniably, Labour under Corbyn have botched handling these accusations but then, they seem to have botched everything else too so it's not surprising...

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