EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Yes, Keir Starmer seems the obvious choice to me.

However anyone who isn't tarnished with accusations of racism and who could state their policies clearly and unequivocally would be a huge improvement.

then join the labour party / a trade union and write a strongly worded letter to your local labour councillor expressing your concerns.

Greens are also anti austerity?

Labour does not stand in NI. The SDLP has a pact with them, but where I live SF may unseat DUP but SDLP is too far behind.

I quit Unite over McCluske's bullshit on immigration/Brexit. Not feeling like fighting that fight ATM.

Unfortunately there is no other private union sector in NI bar the communication workers Union. Who are also not against brexit or bothered with immigrants.

I'd join Unison in a heart beat though. Unfortunately public sector only.

hey, do you live in northern ireland?

you kept that quiet.

Can I have some more salt with my verbage please sir?

I think:

• BoJo could easily call a GE blaming the slim majority/DUP reliance for nothing happening; he'll run on a "I just need 5 more MPs and I'll take us out" campaign
  
• Corbyn is now doing more harm than good I think (previously he was just doing nothing). He would lose to Boris, tarred by his shockingly poor handling of Brexit and the ongoing anti-Semitism thing, media hatred (c.f. Boris adulation). He is too damaged to ever come back.
  
• The Remain/anti-Tory vote is split, and Boris is surely going hoover up BXP votes - the cretins who like Farage like Boris just as much
  
• Keir Starmer is the best option in terms of appeal to the public or whatever.
  
  

I really think our only hope is that Corbyn is replaced before Boris manages to call a GE, or that Boris misses his self-imposed deadline destroying his own credibility. Otherwise we're fucked, either through a Boris landslide, no deal exit, or the EU coming up with something that can pass through parliament.

He's really very nice in real life, dunno what gets into him once he's behind a keyboard... ⌨️💂

Random observation: Channel 4 News just had a piece on Boris' planned spending increases that had a really weird tone to it, if you ask me - a kind of a "oh no they want to spend money now", comparing it to the old Labour manifesto, but in a way that sounded to me like "oh they're as bad now as those were" more than anything else. This after a multitude of reports in the same program over the past two years (I'm used to watching it in the background as my landlady always watches it) where they pointed out lacks of funds in a lot of public expenditure areas etc.

I don't know, it just came across as weirdly opinionated, and in a slightly unexpected direction at that, considering it's their 'news' program.

You keep quiet the UK is larger than England. But ok let's not address my points...

We just need an angry Welsh person on here :)

If the SDLP/Labour had a chance I'd happily compromise vote for them over Greens. But fptp and all that. It's SF or DUP...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49109577

DUP denies it has Tories over a barrel. Dunno must have taken ages of practice to say that without laughing. Though I've never seen Dodds smile and perhaps it's for the best.

I hope BoJo tells them to shove it but he doesn't have the majority to do so.

It's disappointing that the media make baseless accusations and then Labour supporters see him as being "tarnished by accusations."

The sole piece of evidence for Corbyn being personally racist or anti-Semitic seems to be 'liking' a mural he claimed to not know was anti-Semitic.

The evidence against him being racist is years of campaigning.

But people who you would think know better seem to have given up on him and bought into the hype.

I think he's shown poor leadership in lots of ways, and there are definitely examples of situations which could have been handled better.

But it annoys me that he's now widely touted as an anti-Semite who campaigned to leave, which is bollocks.

He murdered catfood, and for that I can never forgive him.

Quite. The suggestion that Corbyn is anti-semitic in any way is absolutely ludicrous.

I'm not sure how BoJo calls a GE without taking on the very real risk that the Tory party will be destroyed by the Brexit party if he leans left or by a Labour and Lib coalition if he leans right.

Surely a 2nd Ref gives them the best chance of staying in power, which seems to be his real and only motive. The one thing he doesn't want is a 3 month premiership.

3 months would be fine. He only cares about himself and can claim the PM pension now.

I don't think money is his primary driver

I'm not sure how BoJo calls a GE without taking on the very real risk that the Tory party will be destroyed by the Brexit party if he leans left or by a Labour and Lib coalition if he leans right.

Surely a 2nd Ref gives them the best chance of staying in power, which seems to be his real and only motive. The one thing he doesn't want is a 3 month premiership.

He's either going so far to the right that the BXP is made irrelevant, or he's going to partner with Farrage. Corbyn won't go into coalition with anyone, so the Left is split.

Johnson fears the result of a referendum, he doesn't fear Corbyn - he believes, I think correctly, that he can beat him. Therefore pushing the HoC to reject no-deal so he can call an election, beat Corbyn and solidify his power is a logical course.

The suggestion that Corbyn is anti-semitic in any way is absolutely ludicrous.

He just has no control over the Labour party, or Jews are pretending?

He's not an antisemite, there may well be problems with antisemitism in the labour party, and they probably could be dealt with better, but he's not in any way racist. The Labour party is also in no way a hotbed of antisemitism, although any amount is too much, it's less prevalent than in the general population and other political parties.

I met someone yesterday whose daughter is on the board of the Brexit party. Bojo and Nige are in discussions about collaborating.

There are only two people on the board, one of whom is female.

Nah, the right wing only want a NO DEAL Brexit so he'd have to go a very long way right to get in bed with Farage which would cut his party in half. There are lots of reasonable Tories.

If they campaign a GE on Brexit alone, and polling is correct about a 2nd Ref (of which this GE will be in all but name) then he can't win a majority.

He's fucked either way if he calls a GE. Labour and Corbyn have more moves to play.

I think Johnsons plan is to go balls out for no-deal, make the HoC deny him, call an election off the back of that so that he can go to The People having been betrayed by the Marxist Remainers, and have as his manifesto commitment Brexit at all costs.

Corbyn, who clearly wants Brexit, will dither whilst his party potentially splits underneath him, the Lib-Dems will be the de-facto opposition, and Johnson will win.

The only risk to Johnson is that of Labour/LD/SNP collaboration, but Corbyn won't go there as they'd tie his hands on a referendum.

= a further instalment of "why is Corbyn so rubbish"