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  • My hardail requirements :
    Over 650 stack
    Reach in range of 460 to 490
    Sliding dropouts
    Will run tyres from 2.0 to 2.8
    Short chainstays
    Conservative geometry
    120-140 fork compatible
    Carbon
    2x compatibility a bonus
    That comes down to salsa woodsmoke and trek stache. Stache has better reviews and I should be able to run 2x with a bb mounted mech.

    Orbea oiz offers biggest vfm in xc trail category. For just over 3k it comes in full carbon, fox sc 34, carbon cranks, dropper, and life time warranty. I see it as a perfect entry tool for xc marathon riding.

  • woah, quite a list
    I don't see any reason for 2x or any tyre over 2.6 - you're not going near snow are you?
    the rest sound pretty standard.
    i'd take a woodsmoke personally, especially if you set it up like this

  • 2.6 is the sweet spot, all of the benefits of 3" without the weight penalty. So I'm thinking three wheelsets: g one speed 2.35 for road/gravel, 2.25 fast rolling for xc/bikepacking , 2.6/8 for rigid winter SS trashing.
    2x cos I'm weak and old. And I like the idea of 14-110 gear inches range.
    I have an ebay alert for both frames. It's down to which one comes up first in my size. Woodsmoke is super spendy for a hardtail when new.

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