EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Change UK - The Independent Group now have more words in their name than MPs in parliament.

The EU dealing with Farage

https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/1135898837757898758?s=19

People who thought they could walk on water, jumped overboard and are now falling out over which lifeboat to swim for.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48515505

According to the independent “Labour will not win general election unless it backs second Brexit referendum, poll analysis suggests
Labour will be unable to win a majority in a general election unless it changes its stance on a second referendum, new analysis of polling suggests.”

And yet Corbin won’t commit to anything. How long until he resigns or will his tenure as opposition be viewed as the equivalent to Mays period as PM. An utter shit show of incompetence and fear of offending people enabling something that is clearly stupid and based on lies to happen.

Your faith in the Independent is strong, remoaner

If only things were as easy in the real world as in the echo chamber we have here ...

I think one of Corbyn's occasional qualities, that of being a democratic consultative leader, is now biting him in the arse.

Labour messaging is just too vague under Corbyn.

Plan was: Try to get a GE, if that doesn't work only a confirmatory vote on a "bad deal" uh-oh
So now it is... try to get a GE, and only get a confirmatory vote on a deal that does go through parliament (Labour can't fix the Tories having a nice leadership contest)

All the backpedalling/vagueness/refusal to call out the problems with Brexit (a job first Brexit? yeah, lol)/still blaming EU immigration for wage lowering means voters are now just giving up.

I sorta understand they want to try to keep the UK together by uniting remainers/brexiters with a "soft" Brexit, but the "forever backstop" plan is also not it.

Try to get a GE

They did this though - there was a no confidence in May sometime around last Christmas which she won. To my mind that means that that route has been done.

Otherwise you can get away with never addressing the 'confirmatory vote' because you're still trying to force a GE.

I think so as well, and any threat of it will only harden the Tories.

Labour tried to forge a compromise, had they said very very clearly that a vote would be on ANY compromise I think it would have maybe been OK, but instead it was "only a vote on a BAD compromise".

It doesn't help that Corbyn and his advisors are stuck in the 70s economically, Milne has some had some proper dodgy ideas in the past he didn't disown and Brexiters, so when people accuse the party of all sorts, that is unfortunately a true issue (for remainers/compromisers)

And so the mess continues while the Tories stage their own mini game of thrones.

It’s the fear of saying something clear and offending someone that is paralysing the Labour Party. Like a rabbit in the headlights unsure where to go and getting crushed in the process. The dithering middle ground clearly doesn’t work. Look at how well the parties with clear policies did in the recent EU elections.

Nobody wants to be the guy / girl who killed the Labour Party tho

I can see how this paralyses them.

no such fears in the Tories it seems

The Tories are also losing voters...to the libdems.

Perhaps both parties have just given up as nobody can admit that brexit was missold.

They can always pin it on Cameron

I wouldn't say that Corbyn took a 'middle ground' position in the EU elections. I think it was more of a 'higher ground' position--the similarity being that both can be (and mostly are) intended to appeal to voters from 'both sides'. Obviously, it may not be a vote-winning position to take, but I'm not sure the EU elections tell us much about a potential general election.

I have no idea what would work in a general election. The problem for Labour remains that while switching to whichever form of 'remain' (it has variously and sagely been noted that the People's Vote campaign made a key error by becoming associated firmly with, and effectively equivalent to 'Remain') might get them more votes in total, they need to win many seats that voted for 'Brexit' under FPTP. If the Tory vote gets split between the Tories and the 'Brexit' Party, will Labour be able to overcome voters defecting to the Lib Dems? I don't know. It's certainly bloody hard and not something I would want to have to think about.

Another car factory going:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/06/ford-to-close-bridgend-factory-in-september-2020

Great timing by Ford Europe management.
Tories consumed by the leadership election, not that they even pretend to have an Industrial Strategy. Labour, well what can a fence-sitting Opposition do?
Even immediately after Trump departs the UK, so no chance of any tricky questions to the Idiot-in-Chief.
Which way did Bridgend vote in the Referendum?

We have the Peterborough by election result to look forward to tomorrow morning, Brexit party getting their first MP, perhaps. It was very close in 2017 about 600 votes in it between Labour and the Tories. Interest that there was no UKIP in 2017. How many Labour votes will be going to the Lib Dems.

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Which way did Bridgend vote in the Referendum?

54.6% Leave

Don’t they built Transits in Bridgend? Or was that Dagenham?

If so, that was always going to China, just as the E series and US manufacturing has.

Sent from my Huawei

I think Brigend was petrol engines.

Transits were originally manufactured in the ex-Spitfire works in Langley that beacme a light truck plant that Ford offloaded to Iveco. It is now a warehousing industrial estate including a large Royal Mail Depot.
Transit production was moved to Eastleigh, giving a boost to Southampton airport as Ford Execs and Engineers jetted around Europe.
Ford Europe then began production of the Transit Connect in Turkey,
(doing away with Escort-derived vans), and famously used EIB funds to transfer full-size Transit production to the same plant.
Ford UK stopped vehicle production in Dagenham in early 2002, but retained (diesel) engine production thanks to a £400M grant (partly from the EU) for introducing less energy intense manufacturing methods.

Bridgend could be read as 'no more EU grants = no more manufacturing'.