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Thanks for the reply - really appreciate it.
Can I ask how you come to this conclusion - for reference; I went and took a ride on a Pinnacle Arkose today - 51cm (size M).
According to their size guide this has a stack of 590mm and a reach of 387mm and it felt ok. The seat seemed to be at an ok height (see setup).
I plotted some details in thebikelist bike fit and it popped out the numbers of 558mm stack and 365mm reach. This compares with an XS sized Ribble CGR AL.
Sorry for all the questions - just want to get the right bike.