EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Maybe, but will she be able to deliver her own resignation?

3) he likes grand, surprising gestures, being unconventional. A volte-face to revoke seems to fit the bill.

Well he would certainly use volte-face rather than u-turn.

Problem with revoking is that the party he leads would split forever. There would inevitably be general election, probably a coalition needed and he would be out after a shamefully short reign. Which actually doesn't sound too bad.

it would probably have happened already.

I don't think the EU would have accepted it. But with a new leader and therefore a, hopefully, new approach, there is a better case for it.

Thinking about it, BoJo might just have enough nouse and instinct for self advancement to know that whoever takes the job now is doomed. If I were him, knowing I am the favourite now and may well be in the future, I would bide my time.

To clarify what I meant: we revoke, that’s that. I don’t think anyone would reasonably* expect to set that in motion again once it’s been done.
And no, the EU wouldn’t accept it. Not from this leader, nor the next.

*lol Boris

Why would the EU go for that? It's just drawing out the uncertainty for months or even years.

Well for one thing, it stops them having to consider extension request after extension request, every few months.

It seems eminently sensible for the EU to say: "Yeah OK, one time offer you can revoke as a temporary measure. If and when you reinvoke A50, we will give you no extensions."

John Cleese can fuck right off. He's become the thing he took the piss out of in the Monty Python days - a reactionary old English duffer.

+1

...but they’re not considering any more extension requests?

Strong and stable... #lestweforget

#chaosunderedmiliband

..but they’re not considering any more extension requests?

Sure, but they've said that before. It's politics.

The UK has the unilateral right to revoke A50 but they can only do so in 'good faith'. They shouldn't just do it to buy more time.

Revoking it, and then having another referendum(s) or a GE specifically fought on a "vote for us and this will be your Brexit" mandate would satisfy the EU that the UK is acting in good faith and now has internal support. (I wouldn't give it much chance at all that the Government could put something out there that would gain a majority support from the public. All of which would hopefully default us into remaining and the country can begin the long process of getting over itself.)

The Tories (thankfully) fucked up massively by calling the snap general election in 2017. If they'd stuck with their slender majority (propped up by bribing the DUP in the same way) then they would have probably been able to push through the WA first time round and we'd be out by now. *shudder*

None of the outcomes (Hard brexit, soft brexit, Norway+, BRINO, Remain, etc) will "bring the country back together" as it is just too split on this binary issue so there is little point in looking for a more perfect solution.

One outcome that's a possibility is a stooge to be put up as Tory Leader to revoke A50 and "give the country some time to heal itself" and better prepare for another referendum on EU membership in 3-5 years' time. One huge kick of the can much further down the road. Once they've taken the flack for that and the public have got used to that idea they can give way for the real new Tory Leader who isn't tarred with that shitty brush.

One outcome that's a possibility is a stooge to be put up as Tory Leader to revoke A50 ... to be tarred with the shitty brush.

Now that's a leadership contest I can get excited about. Yeah baby, yeah.

I think that's some kind of Bullingdon club style hazing ceremony.

In other news some turnout figures for yesterday's election

Well, most of those are indeed higher than the previous ones.

South Holland - arguably the area most in need of migrant workers to pick seasonal crops doesn't want the forrins (but the locals won't take those jobs either). Talk about biting the hand that feeds.

So if you plot those, it seems the lower the turnout, the more likely the 'leave' vote. So I guess the brexit tactic of boring everyone into submission works...

It’s a ducking stupid thing to pursue at a political level?

Seems to be little correlation between leave votes and turnout which is probably positive. Whereabouts did that come from (there's a spreadsheet version here if anyone's interested https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16jYo0_r0vcLvMfODhxLrvsDVjWKLiHGm9tyhou0tAi4/edit?usp=sharing )

So at a quick glance, turn out generally up, more up in remain areas than leave areas, some leave areas down on turn out between 14 and 19.

Where did the figure come from, before I get too excited.

A few of the numbers seem to match up with local news reports so I suspect someone has compiled them.

It's from Britain Elects. So it's kosher.

Someone has remixed it (to make the interesting correlations clearer).

It you look at his feed he's knocking out other graphs/charts too.

Even the highest of those turnouts (48%?) are poor - the rest are abysmal. What more needs to happen to make people think that this stuff is important?

True. It will be interesting to learn about the final scale of the #deniedmyvote issue (once someone has come up with some reasonable figures).

Anecdotal evidence only...
I’ve never queued at my polling station, have never seen more than a handful of voters and vote at about the same time...
Queue of 5 in front of me to collect my ballot. The booths were full.
As I left a queue of 8, the booths full and people waiting for a clear booth.
I think our constituency voted leave.