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  • People in this country who whinge about the EU being undemocratic boil my piss. We have a hereditary monarchy, a second chamber based on a heriditary system augmented with political patronage and a first chamber that is elected through a system that is set up to perpetuate a two party system.

    Let's get our own house in order before we whinge about other political structures.

  • But most who want out of the EU would also be happy getting rid of or reforming that second unelected chamber in the UK.

    I'd agree that the EU commission is too powerful and the description of it being like the civil service doesn't really wash. I can't remember the last time the head of the civil service announced his view on the future of the UK or they proposed new UK laws.

    If you can't vote them out it's hard to view the commission as democratic.

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