• I am reacting to this: "It could get even worse if we left - but it could also get much better either way" It can get better now, if the UK wants to, for the UK

  • Exactly. If it could be better but the EU provides a floor beneath which the UK isn't allowed to drop, how can anyone rationally think it is likely to get better outside the EU when that minimum requirement is lost?

  • Some people may not see this as a risk, as in "we get into power it'll be fine" it is one of the demands of Labour, and one May was able to concede with.

    I do see it as a risk but then...staying/leaving the EU influences so many things it may not be the first concern of others.

  • how can anyone rationally think it is likely to get better outside the EU...

    If you are a British born chef, carpenter, builder, plumber, driver, electrician, landscaper, decorator, glazier, warehouse operative, mechanic etc and would appreciate better pay and conditions I can see a certain (protectionist) logic.

    Supply has been met by EU migrant workers. An unimaginative pragmatist (or a conservative) might say that market forces have been reliable whilst recent government has (rightly or wrongly) done very little.

    tl:dr Altering the supply of labour for better pay and conditions is a thing.

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