Horrific. Look like police shoes and that pull tab is not required either. Leather - yes proper - no
Had cause to visit Hendon to see a passing out parade recently and the shoes on the parade ground were much more technical than these and generally like black leather walking boots. Not really dressy at all.
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Horrific. Look like police shoes and that pull tab is not required either. Leather - yes
proper - no