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My somewhat throw-away question was really designed as a gentle dig a @greenhell who I know IRL and who, I would hope, took it as intended, with a little bit of tongue in cheek. My point was that we should perhaps trust ourselves to know what is racist even if we haven't suffered from it. You're right of course, some people's lived experience is much more poignant and I didn't mean to play that down.
My partner is mixed race and, growing up in South London in the 80s, was either too black or too white, depending on the audience. She happens to quite like Danny Baker and finds the outrage at his tweet amusing. For what it's worth, I buy his explanation having listened to him over many years without detecting any racism - I genuinely don't think racism played a part in the tweet, but it's stupid to not see how it would have been interpreted. His apology and reaction to the sacking has more to do with his "previous" with the BBC than this incident.
Sorry to others for prolonging this...
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I see, that makes sense and we both are on the same page. I was half playing dumb.
That whole thread of conversation brought to mind a book by Christine Delphy where she wrote – “How could the Others be like the Ones, when the Ones are only Ones because they oppress the Others?”
Anyway. Not the thread for more of this. Moar memes please!
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NotThamesWater
What is this question?
Surely you’re not asking: ‘what if the people who have experienced racism don’t agree/have a range of views on whether they find something racist?’
Isn’t that exactly what we should do more of? I’m a 33 year old white male and I’ve never experienced racism, I can empathise, look at the history of society and form an opinion of what I believe to be racist, but simply by the very nature of what I am, I can only know less than someone who has actually experienced racism.