Sort-of memes that are cracking you up at the moment

the PG tips chimps weren't being associated with being the children of a non white woman

Yeah, but it wasn't the non-whiteness of the mother which was at the heart of the Baker post. People were bound to misread it that way, which is why a thoughtful person wouldn't have posted it, but there's a massive gulf between "thoughtless" and "racist".

Is the expression ‘non white’ not classed as racist?

Depends who uses it, and how. If we take it as read that @greenhell isn't a racist, then his use of that term to identify why the Baker post was likely to be offensive in the context of Archie when it would have been fine in the context of George clearly isn't racist.

Yeah, but it wasn't the non-whiteness of the mother which was at the heart of the Baker post.

well some say otherwise, hence the entire ensuing shitshow.

anyhoo. maymays! before the usual suspects roll up moaning about no memes.

before the usual suspects roll up moaning about no memes

Having non-human hominids standing in for people of black heritage is a meme, even if it's one we would like to die out.

i'm defending the royals ffs

If it makes you feel any better, the closest Archie gets to being royal by heritage rather than claim is that his grandmother is minor aristocracy

I was making the point that use of some language may be classed as racist. Even if no one meant it to be. Perhaps use of an image may be similar.
Apologies to Greenhell, I did not intend anything against you.

no mate we're good - happy to be called out and be given an opportunity to reflect on my own use of language. cheers ears.

pretty sure the PG tips chimps weren't being associated with being the children of a non white woman.

Given where tea comes from are you really sure there was nothing racist about the origin of the PG chimps?

Tea's from India, chimps are African. Unless there's African tea, I dunno.

We’re talking about racists, I’m not so sure they’d inspect the minutiae of their insults.

Edit: Or be intelligent enough to realise.

Unless there's African tea

Uganda has both tea plantations and chimpanzees. Not sure how that helps...

"Avez vous un cuppa?"

Franglaisist!

maybe we should leave judgement regarding what is and isn't racist to people who are and have been on the receiving end of actual racism.

And what if they don’t agree/have a range of views, who are you going to defer to then?

Some of you guys are gonna shit your eyeballs out when you discover the planet of the apes series of films.

assume this is a James Hewitt reference... trolololol

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Can confirm. He was the celebrant at our wedding

And what if they don’t agree/have a range of views, who are you going to defer to then

What is this question?

Surely you’re not asking: ‘what if the people who have experienced racism don’t agree/have a range of views on whether they find something racist?’

Isn’t that exactly what we should do more of? I’m a 33 year old white male and I’ve never experienced racism, I can empathise, look at the history of society and form an opinion of what I believe to be racist, but simply by the very nature of what I am, I can only know less than someone who has actually experienced racism.

So now we have to wait for an "approved source" to tell us all what to think !
Will there be a referendum of all people who may have suffered racism, sexism,sarcasm, homophobia etc, to give the official line on all such issues?

Personal use of you own eyes, ears and brain to gather information and form your own considered opinions is apparently banned !

what if the people who have experienced racism don’t agree/have a range of views on whether they find something racist?

but simply by the very nature of what I am, I can only know less than someone who has actually experienced racism.

This is an interesting point. I think that someone who has experienced racism is obviously best placed to say what does and doesn't offend them in terms of what they find racist toward themselves. For example if someone who is black says said chimp picture is racist, who are we to argue.
However someone from the far east who may often experience racism would be as unaffected directly by that image as any of us and could also too only empathise (granted more easily). So yes of course people who have experienced racism are going to have varied views, they're not all the same.

I think we have a right to offend, it comes with free speech and the rest of it but there is obviously a line, where the line is, I couldn't say. But as you say, if someone finds something racist towards themselves, nobody is better placed to say if they're right or wrong than them and we shouldn't defend it because of "good intentions". Nor necessarily crucify the guy if it was truly a silly oversight though, he recognised the way it looked, removed it, apologised. What more is there?

Oh my.

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Your considered, thoughtful and intelligent response to the points I wrote, juxtaposed with @The.Gren’s Daily Mail outrage machines automated algorithm response is just wonderful. 😂

@The.Gren are you a bot programmed by right wing sensationalists put here to torment our brains capacity for considered thought?

Sort-of tiring discussions that are cracking you up at the moment

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