• Get a custom Titanium frame with a King Headset and some nice forks for £1k from Waltly or somewhere similar. I love mine

  • My surly is 4130 and I'm very happy with it. Although it does suffer the same coke can sized head tube skinny steel fork aesthetic discussed here earlier. Easily solved with a carbon fork upgrade later on maybe. But I've growth to quite like it as is.

    I do agree with @amey that best performance for the £££ will come from Giant, Trek, Specialized etc but given the choice I'd buy the surly again as I just love riding it.

  • but 4130 is for kids bikes. Can't spot the price on those either?

    And commuters/riding round town bikes which is what I use it for. Only downside for me is it's a bit heavy, but the weight's not bothered me and it did when I had a CdF.

    About £500 F&F or the whole bike (geared) is £1250.

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