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  • BBC choosing not to connect the dots on why the vote is massively down for parties who are Pro-Brexit and massively up for those that aren't.

    I don't think this is what's going on.

    The Tories are being punished by both leavers and remainers because the one thing everyone can agree on is that their handling of Brexit has been shambolic.

    Labour are being punished by remainers for being pro-Brexit, while also being punished by Brexit-voting former Labour supporters who don't believe the party will deliver Brexit (this is what Ruth Smeeth has said, so they've said it themselves).

    BUT this is much worse for the Tories who've lost 16 councils so far, won two and lost 396 councillors. By comparison Labour have lost three and won one, losing a total of 81 councillors.

    UKIP has also lost 54 councillors which is interesting...

    This is all so far of course - I don't think even half of the results are in yet.

  • In (2) you disagree with (1), then in (3) you agree with (1).

    This is confusing.


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  • That's some beautiful highlighting but you didn't put a square around the bit where I said the Tories are being punished by both sides, plus I did say Labour are being punished for being pro-Brexit (or not anti-Brexit enough) but I did also say I think they've been punished by Labour leavers.

    In short I do agree partly with @greenbank but while I would love to believe that yesterday's election is a sign the electorate have changed their mind about Brexit I don't think they have.

    Has anyone got any up-to-date polling on that?

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