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Fair enough, but the USA intelligence services aren't exactly innocent either when it comes to security issues. When the EternalBlue exploit was stolen/leaked, they took MONTHS to tell Microsoft, leading to the NHS being hacked among others.

Innocent mistake? Maybe, but if we start probing on links between the USA and Cisco will nothing show up? Or any hacking tools being left out and forgotten about? How do we decide what is truly politically motivated and what is just a big mistake?

Cisco is very happy selling to China as part of their big government spying program. And there was just a massive hole found in their kit...will China say they won't buy any Cisco anymore?

There can definitely be some smoke, but then there is smoke everywhere atm. The UK has hacked a phone provider in Belgium and spied on Amnesty for example... But we also know China/Russia have hacking teams. So, who can we really trust?

I rather see an independent body scrutinizing security of kit, though as Greenbank explains it is really hard. It is all turning into the x-files "trust no one" atm.

Much of the Nokia core network kit comes from the Alcatel-Lucent acquisition and has significant development teams in not-Finland, eg California.

Don't worry about Huawei,
the OG dfds Liam Fox, has this morning dusted down his ceremonial bowler hat,
as President of the Board of Trade,
and is this morning leisurely flicking through a rolodex of key UK electronics companies that can be trusted to build our 5G network.
So far, he has googled 'Racal', 'Plessey', 'GEC', 'Marconi', (then 'GEC Marconi'), 'Inmos', 'Cable& Wireless', and 'Ferranti'.
A spad is working on contacting their Chairmen.
Another spad has suggested a working lunch with Sir Clive Sinclair, Sir Alan Sugar, and John Cauldwell, who was popping in anyway to offer some tax advice.
Liam's confident he can launch the 'UK 5G Consortium' by the end of the month, and have the Working Party issue a discussion document before the end of the year.

An acquisition that took place in 2016, no? By which time Nokia’s handset business was dead.

Something like that, yes. It's my impression that their network business was basically dead too and they were casting around buying stuff and trying to find a future. The Withings thing seemed strange for example.

Geoffrey Robertson QC on PM just now nailing it on the leak.

The privilege and double standards on this are sadly unsurprising.

The whataboutism doesn't really apply here.

Our government and security services job is to protect us. That's it.

One of the last mobile projects I worked on with Nokia (before they acquired us) was led by someone who’d just left the networks division because he thought it was dying. That turned out well for him.

Well, this is cheerful.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/02/police-officer-london-lost-control-streets-knife-crime-cuts

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Somebody is so going to go for the hat trick. This could become a cultural phenomenon like the macarena.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/TommyRobinsonMilkShakeChallenge?src=hash

If you ever need a handy reference point for how lazy (and mendacious) Boris Johnson is, this is it:

Boris Johnson (former mayor and current resident of London) tweeted that he just voted in the local elections.

He deleted when he was informed that there are no local elections in London today.https://t.co/p8Urwe1mC1 pic.twitter.com/nwH3Cj8pmm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/may/02/local-elections-2019-results-votes-counted-live-news?page=with:block-5ccb680e8f087d3be87823c2#block-5ccb680e8f087d3be87823c2

Boris' tweet linked to a video (which I haven't seen) and so I assume it was done by some agency rather than him tweeting it himself directly.

Local elections going well though. BBC choosing not to connect the dots on why the vote is massively down for parties who are Pro-Brexit and massively up for those that aren't.

They (the BBC) are still pushing the line that Labour and the Tories are being punished for their failure to "just get on with Brexit".

Or maybe it's all about Diesel.

More evidence of laziness. :)

How come you think your analysis is correct?

The voters are (in the main) voting for remain parties rather than leave parties.

Odd to punish a leave party for not getting on with Brexit by voting for the Lib Dem’s, but maybe that’s what’s happening.

Doesn’t seem likely though

For e.g. your average Kipper won’t vote Lib Dem if there’s no suitable right wing candidate I suspect.

However- there’s a lot of “other” in the results, and we don’t know if they’re “renew the Crusades” parties, so that might be where the nutter vote has gone.

Lib Dems got a dreadful kicking in 2015 locals off the back of there coalition with the Tories, so they were always likely to improve from that low water mark. But in general, good news for pro remain parties.

Edit: last time I check the lib dems were on plus 100+ seats, now +300 so yeah really good result, and a clear mandate from the public that they are now pro remain etc, etc

Haven't looked at the results in detail yet, so just curious as to people's rational.

In the end I didn't vote as I didn't get round to researching all the candidates, and I don't like voting on party lines for administration of local services.

This quote from a Tory seems very plausible as an explanation:

The people that voted to remain blame us for leaving and the people that voted to leave blame us because we haven’t left yet

yep, when you hold a fucking referendum and every single person on the winning side has a different idea of what they voted for, no-one is going to be happy, are they?

With you 100%, they're fucking idiots