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  • Apparently, the 800 series engine was a bit shit...

    The new 850GS is getting loads of good reviews - that probably means the 850r will come along at some point this year. I'd wait for that unless budget is part of the equation.

  • Fair enough.

    Are there any japanese bikes that fit the bill? BMW are always pretty stingy with spec but still command high 2nd hand prices...

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