One point to make. wrapped up in this whole thread thing that gets to me continually is that neo-liberalism makes individuals feel responsible, e.g the plastics thing, the veganism thing- its part of the the same capitalist system we live in- you are made to feel responsible for everything- but you shouldnt be.
so from what I can make out ER would agree that its the respectable elected members of society who happily co-exist alongside everyone else who have the decision making power to change what masses do. But theyre not.
True, one problem is always this mantra of putting the responsibility on everyone when everyone has much less power than some sound legislation would have. Obviously, legislation sometimes misfires, but it's still a better way of changing things than lots of small actions. Needless to say, then the usual buck-passing circularity starts: 'Oh, but it's not the will of the people (yet), so we can't legislate for it', etc.
China doesn’t have this problem. But I don’t think we want to be China.
I just want environmental cost to be paid by the consumer and a concerted move to cleaner technologies. These are totally compatible with capitalism. If you need to take big money out of politics fine. There are ways.
True, one problem is always this mantra of putting the responsibility on everyone when everyone has much less power than some sound legislation would have. Obviously, legislation sometimes misfires, but it's still a better way of changing things than lots of small actions. Needless to say, then the usual buck-passing circularity starts: 'Oh, but it's not the will of the people (yet), so we can't legislate for it', etc.