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  • I don’t think it’s the right approach to penalise people for flying, it’s a mode of travel not a luxury. It would be better to incentivise air carriers to focus on having cleaner planes and penalise those that don’t. Obviously this only works if all countries play ball.

  • The carriers would pass the costs onto the people flying. Penalising them.

  • incentivise air carriers

    You mean beyond building them airports to use?
    Flying is the definition of a luxury,
    and,
    the users of private jets pay even less Air Passenger Duty then 'we' do.
    https://www.privatefly.com/privatejet-services/air-passenger-duty-private-jet.html

  • cleaner planes

    Jet engines burn what is essentially diesel fuel, and inevitably produce volumes of NOx.
    People lving under the flight paths of UK airports, and especially Heathrow, already live in an environment where the air quality is beneath safe levels.
    That is why TfL and 5 local authorities recently engaged in a two-week High Court case against Chris Grayling as Transport Secretary for giving the go ahead for the 3rd runway at Heathrow.

  • It would be better to incentivise air carriers to focus on having cleaner planes and penalise those that don’t.

    There is no such thing as a clean aeroplane (beyond hyper specialised solar panel powered single seaters).

    And @ObiWomKenobi I think flying to Greece is far enough, compared to Italy which is really only ~24h on a train, that it becomes a much more sympathetic issue. Still problematic but far less easy to blame on the individual. Edit: and yeah, the humour didn't come over, so sorry for missing that

  • I don’t think it’s the right approach to penalise people for flying, it’s a mode of travel not a luxury.

    I know people have normalised flying and some solo car travel (roughly equivalent in Co2). That’s their choice. However... as a society we currently under tax air travel (that is an established fact). So why are we subsiding it when the system should factor-in the environmental harm? It’s crazy.

    You pay VAT on bike chains, innertubes, petrol and diesel. But not on jet travel? With all due respect .... gtfo (by low carbon means).

    :)

    Luckily XR doesn’t require you or I to agree on the above, just to abide by their principles and support demands on government: tell the truth.

    Business as usual is going to kill us.

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