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  • You should feel guilty about flying to see your parents to shave a couple of days of travel off your holiday. You should feel guilty about eating lamb just because you feel like it. Your friend should feel guilty for producing more emissions than 50 people with normal jobs (is he so important?). It's most likely people in poor nations in decades to come who will bear the cost of your decisions and they don't have a say in what you choose to do. You are picking the "selfish enjoyment" option and expecting someone worse off to pay the price. How could you not feel guilty about that?

    (Not that there's anything wrong with doing something for selfish enjoyment. Simply staying alive is selfish enjoyment at the world's expense unless you are somehow directly responsible for reducing the severity of climate change by more than you increase it.

    But it has to be in moderation. Like eating 4 Easter eggs in a day, you feel a bit guilty, but recognise it's a rare occasion and is not sustainable to go on the same way all the time.)

    Christ I am an insufferable bore.

  • This x1000

    Genuinely why should we give a shit about you @cycleclinic wanting to be selfish when your actions/unsustainable 'living' directly and negatively effects the rest of us (and you btw).

    Saying that this is alarmist sounds like cognitive dissonance on your part when you also say that you recognize that climate change is a serious issue . Effectively you are saying that it's an issue but you can't be arsed to change your behavior while at the same time criticising people for not wanting to walk 50m down the road to reduce NO2 emissions. Your argument is all over the place.

    It literally is that bad and that immediate and while changing building regs etc definitely need to happen, it won't happen unless politicians see it as an issue they need to jump on. That is what direct action is and achieves. And if it doesn't persuade them that way, then disrupting cities, businesses, the police, infrastructure etc so enough people start to lose money may create that change

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