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You should feel guilty about flying to see your parents to shave a couple of days of travel off your holiday. You should feel guilty about eating lamb just because you feel like it. Your friend should feel guilty for producing more emissions than 50 people with normal jobs (is he so important?). It's most likely people in poor nations in decades to come who will bear the cost of your decisions and they don't have a say in what you choose to do. You are picking the "selfish enjoyment" option and expecting someone worse off to pay the price. How could you not feel guilty about that?
(Not that there's anything wrong with doing something for selfish enjoyment. Simply staying alive is selfish enjoyment at the world's expense unless you are somehow directly responsible for reducing the severity of climate change by more than you increase it.
But it has to be in moderation. Like eating 4 Easter eggs in a day, you feel a bit guilty, but recognise it's a rare occasion and is not sustainable to go on the same way all the time.)
Christ I am an insufferable bore.
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eating 4 Easter eggs in a day.
You monster
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This x1000
Genuinely why should we give a shit about you @cycleclinic wanting to be selfish when your actions/unsustainable 'living' directly and negatively effects the rest of us (and you btw).
Saying that this is alarmist sounds like cognitive dissonance on your part when you also say that you recognize that climate change is a serious issue . Effectively you are saying that it's an issue but you can't be arsed to change your behavior while at the same time criticising people for not wanting to walk 50m down the road to reduce NO2 emissions. Your argument is all over the place.
It literally is that bad and that immediate and while changing building regs etc definitely need to happen, it won't happen unless politicians see it as an issue they need to jump on. That is what direct action is and achieves. And if it doesn't persuade them that way, then disrupting cities, businesses, the police, infrastructure etc so enough people start to lose money may create that change
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All of this. It's incredible how something like flying has gone from an extreme luxury to inalienable right in 1-2 generations
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Yes you are. Grandparents wanting to fly over to see grandchildren. FFS nothing wrong with that. Some people not privileged to live nearby their ageing parents. Or able to afford to double the time off to drive/train somewhere thousands of miles away.
Maybe get a job you bum, and stop moaning on the internet.
I don’t like flying that much but it is a necessity on many occasions, especially for the odd long weekend city-break in New York.
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Actually no one last thing. Why should my parents feel guilty as Caroline Lucas has indicated about flying back from southern Italy to the u.k to see me and my sister. Your illustrious green no has said flying is a luxury and if we are serious about tackling climate change. My parents live in Italy because they have a better standard of living there as there pension goes alot futher. Also they like it. They like coming back to the u.k to see the children and grand children. We like going to see them and having a cheap holidays getting there by the environmentally sound car which produces less co2 per km than flying takes 4 days (you could do it two by yourself), the train takes just as long. A flight a day or alot less. According to Lucas my parents should be happy with there lot in Liverpool which is were there uk house is.
A friend of mine has a job were he is required to fly alot all over the globe. Follow XR arguements and he should leave his job and his company not sell internationally.
In fact that's the problem with XR arguments. There is a very visible streak of anti capitalism. XR supporters clearly state we cannot growing the economy that population has to come down. That's why the message does not get through. You asking people to feel guilty for living.
Your asking me to feel guilty for wanting to get on a plane later his year and fly to Calabria and enjoy a week with my parents and travel there another way so by the time I get there it time to head back.
I won't feel guilty for living. Neither does anyone I know. That's how XR looks to us.
Then there the vegan thing. We can't eat meat because its too emmisions intensive. So I should feel guilty about the roast lamb I will have today.
I am just being honest here that the message will not get through. It won't not because I am cynical because it the wrong message and in essence it's asking people to feel guilty about living.