The Vegan Thread

That's not a stupid question, that's quite a good question.
And I haven't seen the exact ingredients of the impossible burger so can't comment really, but genetically modified yeast etc. doesn't sound good to me, also I guess there's shitloads of artificial flavours and weird stuff needed to archieve the goal of "tasting and bleeding like real meat".

No, they aren’t. They don’t have the nutrients found in meat, and they often contain lots of salt. But on the plus side they have a bit of fiber and don’t have hormones or the cholesterol either, so it’s probably same same nutrition wise.

I've been using Pulsin for a while and although it's not flavoured, it's actually pretty good... Bulk Powders plugged me up massively... Myprotein have always been good. I'd suggest spending more on a powder that's not full of shit, I think the Pulsin powder has like about ingredients in it

The Pulsin I have is just one ingredient! And made in a UK factory with totally renewable energy 🙌

I've checked the date on this article, and it's not 1 April.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/apr/04/eu-to-ban-non-meat-product-labels-veggie-burgers-and-vegan-steaks

This is the most pathetic thing and clearly the work of the meat industry/insecure meet-free sceptics. Someone at work was bleating on in glib delight about this article when I was putting my lunch into the fridge this morning. "I accidently bought some shroom dogs from sainsbury's the other day and had to throw them out - it ruined my sunday dinner"
me: "did you at least try them if not that's a ridiculous waste?"
them: "fuck no, disgusting rubbish shouldn't be in the same shop as real meat or allowed to be called sausages".
Me: "they are called shroom dogs, not sausages - you clearly didn't look properly"
them: "they look too real and shouldn't be in the same aisle/shop. Why do you want anthing like meat in the first place"

This is the most pathetic thing

Yea.
I actually wasn't aware of that German court decision from 2017 that is mentioned in that article @kl posted.
Just read that Guardian piece and a few pages & comments to the relevant Die Zeit article .
Made my fucking head hurt.

Clutching and Straws come to mind.

The thing is, the line of argumentation that they are "protecting" the terms "steak, sausage, burger" etc will probably work given that the EU allow protection for Cornish pasties, stilton cheese and the like. There is already a precedent for it, in a loose mannar.

I think that marketing them with specifically non meat names would work.
I'd buy some protein tubes or mushroom pucks.

is steak a marketing term of origin? Burger - is that derived form marketing? feels like one for for @Oliver Schick

veggie discs. I did laugh. But i kinda like it

Makes no sense at all. You can have ham-, beef-, or chicken-burger but not mushroom. What makes chicken so special eh?

Same for sausages, you already distinguish on the type of beef, pork, turkey sausages are all available so it's 0% confusing to see "quorn sausage". WTF EU?

Are they not even allowed to call it "patty"?
'Disc' is really ridiculous.

WTF meat lobby?

fixed

I thought modern fresh (UK) sausages were themselves only an imitation of historic cured sausages that need no refrigeration for long term storage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage
just has cured sausage as a variety.

#disctastesarentdead

What a load of rubbish

I thought sausage and burger are more of a shape than an actual meat item. It really is bizarre.

I'd say the new labelling laws are probably a result of animal corpse industry lobbying, too, with the denials suggesting it was anticipated that this would have to be denied. It just fits their previous pattern of behaviour too closely; it seems they still worry very much about the 'analogues'. The way this comes across is that someone decided the previous laws restricting labelling weren't restrictive enough. I don't know them in detail, but I think in Germany they're much stricter than over here.

Bump for the 10th.

Eats and Easts

OK, so kl and I are going to be at Cook Daily (near London Fields, just off Westgate Street) from 6pm on Wednesday April the 10th. (There's a no reservations policy, which means we may have to wait.)

https://www.cookdaily.co.uk/

The Chesham Arms is conveniently close, so we aim to proceed there for drinks afterwards. As it entirely coincidentally happens to be a Wednesday, I'll bump the Easts thread, too.

List:

1) kl
2) Oliver Schick
3)

Do join us!

According to one of the meaters at work, a sausage legally has to have a certain amount of dead animal in it to be called a sausage. Otherwise it has to be called a banger... not sure if it's true but if so I can see the argument there. Sort of. But it's still borne out of people's unwillingness to accept that their indulgences in meat is purely a preference and therefore banning/reducing the visability of alternatives makes them feel less bad and insulates them from their consciences.

a sausage legally has to have a certain amount of dead animal in it to be called a sausage

I think your meater (great term btw) might correct on that front. At least, it's something I've heard in the past.

I just can't get past the ridiculousness of it all. I mentioned it to a (meat eating) friend last night who also thought it was a bit pointless.

We should heed the wise words of Jim Hacker PM:
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