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  • I'm not too sure hate speech laws decrease hate

    [citation needed]
    They sure as hell give vulnerable people some sort of recourse when they're being verbally assaulted because of their gender.

    and actually somewhat contribute to the rise of the dog-whistling tactics discussed itt which make it bloody hard to distinguish between people genuinely tackling the hard subjects and people just being hateful -ist/-phobic cunts

    Neofascists have been dog whistling white supremacy, islamophobia and anti-queer rhetoric for years and will continue to do so regardless of legal advances made for trans rights. You're not going to change these people's minds by sitting down and engaging them in debate and 'tackling the hard subjects'.

  • I'm about as "in-group" as you could get, so it's hard for me to comment.

    But do you think that the greatest impact to minorities' daily lives is acceptance by wider society or attack by marginal extremes?

    Also in fairness to Festerban it's the idea that hate speech laws decrease hate that needs evidence, not the other way around.

  • Not sure if I understand the question, wider society makes a greater daily impact but both need to be addressed. Certain minorities are under constant attack from the press and institutions, and that spills over into daily life in the form of verbal or physical abuse from strangers.

    Also in fairness to Festerban it's the idea that hate speech laws decrease hate that needs evidence, not the other way around.

    The phrasing of that statement is kinda vague, but surely there's evidence of this sort of measure being effective: Germany's hard stance on Nazi speech online and offline, Milo Yiannopoulos and Alex Jones getting deplatformed, prosecutions in the UK for inciting violence against muslims, etc.

    Usually the people crying out against their free speech being infringed upon are really just upset because they can no longer express their hatred for minorities loudly and with impunity.

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