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  • I'm not too sure hate speech laws decrease hate

    [citation needed]
    They sure as hell give vulnerable people some sort of recourse when they're being verbally assaulted because of their gender.

    and actually somewhat contribute to the rise of the dog-whistling tactics discussed itt which make it bloody hard to distinguish between people genuinely tackling the hard subjects and people just being hateful -ist/-phobic cunts

    Neofascists have been dog whistling white supremacy, islamophobia and anti-queer rhetoric for years and will continue to do so regardless of legal advances made for trans rights. You're not going to change these people's minds by sitting down and engaging them in debate and 'tackling the hard subjects'.

  • If you have really good, sorted, laws, I'm not sure you need protected classes (that the hate-laws require). It would avoid the most dangerous unintended consequences. I also totally understand UK laws are typically a messy kludge, and that what really matters is effective reduction in abuse.

    The laws wont reduce hate, but they almost certainly do deter harmful expressions of hate.

    I think in education, if you have really sorted ethics regards how people treat PEOPLE you can actually circumvent criticism (usually of 'promotion of a lifestyle' etc) from social-conservatives, religious organisations etc.

    You can call me a neofacists and deplatform block me now.

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