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I'm not too sure hate speech laws decrease hate
[citation needed]
They sure as hell give vulnerable people some sort of recourse when they're being verbally assaulted because of their gender.and actually somewhat contribute to the rise of the dog-whistling tactics discussed itt which make it bloody hard to distinguish between people genuinely tackling the hard subjects and people just being hateful -ist/-phobic cunts
Neofascists have been dog whistling white supremacy, islamophobia and anti-queer rhetoric for years and will continue to do so regardless of legal advances made for trans rights. You're not going to change these people's minds by sitting down and engaging them in debate and 'tackling the hard subjects'.
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If you have really good, sorted, laws, I'm not sure you need protected classes (that the hate-laws require). It would avoid the most dangerous unintended consequences. I also totally understand UK laws are typically a messy kludge, and that what really matters is effective reduction in abuse.
The laws wont reduce hate, but they almost certainly do deter harmful expressions of hate.
I think in education, if you have really sorted ethics regards how people treat PEOPLE you can actually circumvent criticism (usually of 'promotion of a lifestyle' etc) from social-conservatives, religious organisations etc.
You can call me a neofacists and
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I'm about as "in-group" as you could get, so it's hard for me to comment.
But do you think that the greatest impact to minorities' daily lives is acceptance by wider society or attack by marginal extremes?
Also in fairness to Festerban it's the idea that hate speech laws decrease hate that needs evidence, not the other way around.
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With regards to a 'citation' my statement was very literal, I'm really not sure either way and would be happy to see evidence either way as I really don't have a strong standpoint on the matter.
With regards to the second point. That's kind of my point, you can change the laws and people carry on having abhorrent views but before they'd just come out and say their hateful shite so it was always clear who they were, now you have to really dig deep to work out who's who.
You're not going to change these people's minds by sitting down and engaging them in debate and 'tackling the hard subjects'.
And you're not going to change their minds by changing the law on what they can and can't say
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Festerban
It is indeed arguable, I'd like to have that conversation if you don't mind?
I'd start with that I'm not too sure hate speech laws decrease hate and actually somewhat contribute to the rise of the dog-whistling tactics discussed itt which make it bloody hard to distinguish between people genuinely tackling the hard subjects and people just being hateful -ist/-phobic cunts