EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

'kinell.

bradshaw is a labour mp, right?

right?

^^You're such a Samantha.

BBC Radio news at 1 sent a reporter to Rochester yesterday afternoon. One leaver they spoke to in a pub said Scotland should leave and all the remainers in England should go north and live there. Meanwhile, some guy from Southend has created a petition for England to leave the UK. Of the 10,807 signatures so far, about 10,707 are from Scotland.

Signed.

@yetidamo absolutely spot on. And everyone must know this. The lies (seen as statements at the time, now clearly lies as highlighted by @ ByDonkeys) swung it with people on the fence genuinely thinking things could be better afterwards. So many people have now seen reality and changed their minds, including my grandparents.

The point about 'leave' not being defined at all, with different people spouting different (undeliverable) things is the key argument for a 2nd ref in my opinion. Now it's clear what is/ isn't possible - you have to check.

Add to your points that the fact that MPs have been able to vote 3x and change their minds, and that 3 years have elapsed, it is hard to argue against a second referendum.

I’d point out that the MP’s, despite being made to vote three times, have not changed their minds. Maybe the nation hasn’t either?

Yeah maybe they haven't. But maybe they have. And on something this important to the livelihoods and futures of so many (pretty all of us who aren't the financial elite) then surely it's only right to check given the lies the previous one was won on?

I wholeheartedly believe given the deadlock we now find ourselves in, its the only democratic thing to do.

I’d point out that the MP’s, despite being made to vote three times, have not changed their minds. Maybe the nation hasn’t either?

About 40 are changing their minds each time.

202 voting for MV1.
242 for MV2.
286 for yesterday's Exit Deal.

If only there was a way to find out!

https://mobile.twitter.com/IciLondres/status/1111669862617808896

Suitably depressing reports from Toryville, Engurland.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/30/the-last-thing-you-want-little-appetite-for-new-leader-in-tory-heartlands

Plenty of stone cold WTFs in there, but quite how you can still think May is doing a good job is waaay beyond me; it makes me worry a second referendum would probably produce the same result.

I think if it was “leave” vs “remain” leave would probably win again.

The trick here is that “leave” means whatever you want it to be.

Mays deal vs Remain- then Remain would win.

The choices have to be real, actual choices rather than a blank canvas that to one person means WTO and another means Norway+++.

With all options that cause problems in NI that leaves:

CU and SM (2% gdp growth loss rule taker)
Attempt CU with cake SM (4% gdp growth loss rule taker not guaranteed)
Remain (boom and keeping all the sovereignty)

The choices have to be real, actual choices rather than a blank canvas that to one person means WTO and another means Norway+++.

Both those choices should be given on the referendum.

1. Leave with no deal
   
2. Leave with a Norway+ deal
   
3. Leave with unicorns etc...
   
4. Remain
   
   

As I use the Eurostar quite often, this is definitely not among my favourite protests ever:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/30/eurostar-trains-cancelled-as-man-spends-night-on-st-pancras-station-roof-with-st-georges-flag

Yeah of course. Just redoing the referendum as it was would be the height of stupidity.

Well, that probably means it will be done in this way. :)

Problem there is that to many idiots “leave with no deal” is ideal, because once again it’s whatever they think it’s going to be. Has to be Mays deal vs Remain I think, as that’s the only thing on offer that is concrete.

Not even a union jack, just the English flag. Not a "one nation brexiter" then ;)

The arithmetic on that is too biased. Assuming FPTP

I'd assume he meant to grab the unicorn jack but took the wrong one by mistake.

Where are all the Met marks(wo)men?

Quite obvious that May intend to keep trying to persuade/bribe/blackmail MPs into voting for her deal until there’s enough by the time a 6th MV happens.

Leave with no deal aka screw Northern Ireland and the GFA and people that need medication and being rejected by wto?

Can you even legally put that forward?