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people are saying it - the biggest vote for any of the "indicative votes" in parliament on wednesday was for a peoples vote - 1 million (supposedly) people marched in london last saturday calling for one- james o'brien on lbc puts the case very well on a regular basis too - and many more
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@yetidamo absolutely spot on. And everyone must know this. The lies (seen as statements at the time, now clearly lies as highlighted by @ ByDonkeys) swung it with people on the fence genuinely thinking things could be better afterwards. So many people have now seen reality and changed their minds, including my grandparents.
The point about 'leave' not being defined at all, with different people spouting different (undeliverable) things is the key argument for a 2nd ref in my opinion. Now it's clear what is/ isn't possible - you have to check.
Add to your points that the fact that MPs have been able to vote 3x and change their minds, and that 3 years have elapsed, it is hard to argue against a second referendum.
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Seeing the march to leave on the news tonight and hearing the usual "leave means leave" and "not leaving betrays democracy" bullshit rhetoric makes my blood boil. Many of the people I knew who voted leave did so on the basis of the £250m a week for the NHS which isn't something brexit will deliver. It frustrates me so much that the general media overlook this critical fact that the referendum was (narrowly) won on lies and inciting hatrid in the naive. To me that's the biggest betrayal of democracy.
There's a deadlock in Parliament and no one can get "brexit" through because it wasn't defined what that actually meant at the time of the referendum and still isn't now. Those campaigning for it didn't have a plan and abandoned the sinking ship whilst it was still in dock. It's an impossible job to deliver something that's merely a concept of hatrid.
To me the only way forward is a 2nd referendum with 2 options, leave with no deal and remain. Everyone hates the WA as it doesn't give anyone what they wanted.
I genuinely believe that now the reality of brexit is better understood (ie no tangible benefits and a damaged economy for generations) then remain would win by a decent majority. But if that wasn't the case and leave was still the more popular option I'd be pissed off but I'd accept it and also accept the "will of the people" argument much more than I do today.
I realise I'm stating the bloody obvious with all the above but I just needed to say it somewhere as no one else seems to be doing so.