EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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Disgraced Fox attempts to resuscitate No Deal brexit

Infuriating wanker.

@mespilus isn’t that bad!

I must be having weird Green fantasy dreams. When I saw that the tories were plotting to get rid of May, I came up with the genius (ridiculous) idea of the commons supporting a unity government headed up by Caroline Lucas. She is pretty universally respected, and as she is the only green MP, she would be forced to pick a government with MP's from all the other parties. The new government remit would be to come up with a consensus solution for Brexit, then hold a GE.

Then I saw that they weren't actually going to get rid of May, but just try and come up with another way to get her deal through again. Oh.

I dispute the 'infuriating'.

LOL

Not sure if this has been posted already?

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/suspending-article-50-diplomatic-exchange-notes-carl-islam/

The following conclusions are more fully discussed on the BREXIT page at http://www.diplomaticlawguide.com:

the EU currently has existing trade agreements with 52 countries;

the EU is also negotiating agreements with another 72 countries;

post-Brexit, the UK would therefore need to re-negotiate or start new bilateral negotiations on 124 trade agreements, plus one additional trade agreement re-defining its own trade status as a third country vis-à-vis the EU;

in theory 124 trade agreements x 5 years each = 620 years;

hypothetically, all 124 could be negotiated within 5 years (if negotiated in parallel);

how many trade negotiators does the UK need to resource this?
the EU (who have a battle hardened cadre of 550+ trade negotiators), typically sends 20 commission negotiators to any round of trade talks, backed up by between 25 and 40 technical experts;

before the BREXIT vote in in 2016 the UK had no trade negotiators;

assuming that each UK negotiating team will include at least around 25 negotiators (plus technical experts), 124 x 25 = 3,100 negotiators; and

how many trade deals does Britain have the manpower to negotiate over the next 10 years? - I do not know the answer but if it takes 25 per deal/e.g. 5 years and we have e.g. 50, then that = 2+. If we had 550 it would still only = 44 deals by 2040, i.e. 35% of what is required to catch up with the EU in 2019 (not 2040)!

Can't we just have trade disagreements instead? It might make it just that little bit easier for Liam Fox to do his job.

Just get Mike Ashley to do it fam.

Although seriously I am sure the tories think they can pull in a load of negotiators from the private sector and do them all in parallel.

Lol

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-border-checks-in-ireland-will-start-immediately-on-april-12-if-uk-crashes-out-warns-eu-37948539.html?fbclid=IwAR2MQEeftxLPtIBY-6UXntbwJdoA8msv0XIPt304thKKchJKEY9ihh75gDI

Any armoured vans for sale on here? Not unexpected, you can't expect the EU to accept any aul shite like chlorine chicken, but hei-ho... let's say I don't fancy living near the NI border. Even Belfast may be "fun" if this really gets out of hand.

May seems to have perfected the art of pissing everyone off in the attempt to placate them.

Today essentially stating that indicative votes [if they happen] will be ignored if they aren't to her liking.

I'm not sure what a series of vindictive votes will achieve.

Who wants to predict some stuff? I think MPs will take control of the process with indicative votes today. Soft Brexit here we come.

John Bercow, the Speaker, says he has selected three amendments for the Brexit debate.

1) Labour’s amendment. This calls on the government “to provide sufficient parliamentary time this week for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

2) Oliver Letwin’s amendment. This calls for Commons business on Wednesday to be set aside for a series of indicative votes. It does not specify what options will be voted on, or how the votes will take place.

3) Dame Margaret Beckett’s amendment. This says that if the UK is seven calendar days from leaving without a deal, the house should be recalled to consider a motion on whether or not MPs approve such a move.

I think 1 fails, 2 passes, 3 I don't know - maybe passes

@mashton tell us the future

"Brexit to create over three thousand new jobs"!

So it now it, the deal, slow brexit, or no brexit. And the suggestion that the house would need to approve no deal for it to happen.

I’m feeling a bit more optimistic about things again, but that could all change again tomorrow.

These jobs will be policing the border with Ireland.

@mashton tell us the future

Labour amendment to be soundly defeated.
Letwin amendment very narrowly defeated.
Beckett amendment passes.

IVs happen and get us absolutely fucking nowhere

MV3 brought next week and fails.

Floundering.

Beckett amendment used to ask for a long extension. EU tell us to piss off. A50 revoked by parliamentary decree as option of last resort to avoid no deal.

Huge grumbling. We all live happily ever after. (Well sort of. There will be a GE with neither May or Corbyn as leaders of parties. Hung parliament, but a government forms with a labour + SNP + Lib Dems + Green coalition, Keir Starmer as PM)

Then we win Euro 2020 and everyone is like yay!

I’d like to formally accept this scenario please

You remember when you asked me did I bring a beach towel just out of Welwyn Garden City?

I could get on board with that!

I still can't understand why she's not black mailing the brexitiers by openly stating she'll revoke article 50 to prevent no deal if they don't vote for her deal.