EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • A friend of mine, a lecturer in a relevant subject at a uni, reckons there will be opportunities for an ammendment to be submitted and voted on that would force the Prime Minister's hand. I have no idea if this is accurate or not.

  • If we do go down the road of European Elections, is there an equivalent 'Anyone but Tory' website for 'Anyone but a Brexiter'? I have no idea who I would end up having to chose between!

  • This is the video that 'They voted for pain' sound bite came from:

    https://twitter.com/jamesorharry/status/1108858494021701632

    She sounds totally unhinged - is there some measure of being fit for office?

  • MEPs are elected under a proportional representation system (albeit regional). So less of a need really.

    edit I may have misunderstood your question. If you mean actual platform of the parties, I would suspect it will become pretty obvious if/when it happens.

  • How come she is being allowed to bring the deal back for a third time? I thought Bercow said she wasn't allowed. Or is the extension the change?

  • Can anyone explain why the UK signature count in the petition json file is ~1.5 million less than the total? I don’t think there are enough expats to make up the difference :/

    “state":"open","signature_count":2783605,
    .
    .
    .
    “name":"United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":1261367},
    
  • Chatting to a what?

    You been consulting some kind of expert, you filthy swine.

  • Would really not be surprised if it was external forces looking to discredit the real number, or just sow discord, continue the division, etc...

  • However, the Russians are openly keen on the UK leaving the EU, why would they stoke up a remain petition?

    Well, a few possible reasons:
    1) They can then use that info to discredit it later (along with all the genuine votes).
    2) They are keen on sowing division and discord and by stoking both sides they promote more acrimony and bitterness.
    3) They just want to make sure everything is confusing and they can hide their more meaningful help in favour of brexit behind a smokescreen of meaningless help with a petition that will be ignored.

  • Would the discrepancy have anything to do with the emailed confirm-your-signature links that have to be clicked? Mine took hours to arrive and I got a 502: Bad Gateway error when I clicked through. Had to re-submit it this morning.

  • Summing country votes and constituency votes:

    country count = 1311334
    constituency count = 1238638
    

    Guess it could be something to do with the email confirmation but seems odd to merrily increment your total without waiting for the signee to click their email link..

  • well, it’s not like whatever the number it finishes at will register with “we had a vote/why don’t we just leave - simples” knuckledraggers, anyway.

  • If there's a majority for May's deal there's probably also a majority for the vote to set aside Erskine May which will allow the vote on May's deal to be tried again.

  • May’s deal is dead. Deceased. Extinct. Devoid of life.

  • They may have caching issues between the two counts (one calculated out of step with the other).

    More likely, they may have locations / postcodes which they're not mapped into a constituency (we were looking for the Isle of Man on their hexmap yesterday and couldn't find it for example). the counts are within 5% of each other

  • why's farridge on r4? shouldn't he be out walking?

  • On one of the measure of success for brexit. I suspect we’ve much more chance of dropping down this list than moving up it. 50% increase to go up one place...
    What is terrifying though and OT is that, with the exception of China, all the countries in the top 10 have 70-80% of gdp from service industries.


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  • Very possibly. But if it did have the support then Bercow's ruling wouldn't make any difference. It just stops it returning on a speculative basis.

  • Yes exactly. But I think quite a lot of Tories would vote no confidence in TM at the moment. At least enough.

  • Sorry I wasn't very clear - the first count is what you get summing all the countries reported, including the UK. The second count is what you get summing the UK county totals (so should be the first value minus expat votes). The headline reported total is bigger than the sum of all country votes by about 1.5 million - 2,783,605­ vs 1,311,334 at the time I downloaded the data.

  • 2) They are keen on sowing division and discord and by stoking both sides they promote more acrimony and bitterness.

    Mostly this I would suspect. It demonstrates to their own middle class that net based democratic tools won't work.

  • He told the R4 interviewer he will be back out on Saturday,
    and,
    the 20-odd miles he did on the first day, 'were pretty good for me'.

  • We've been over this a few times, Bercow's ruling last week was relevant - because nothing had changed - so voting on it again was pointless.

    Now, with the extension options and what-not it is easier to see how it will be cleared by the speaker for another vote, based on the offer from the EU.

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