EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • Still can't get over how much that logo reminds me of Tesco Value!

  • I'm going to have to restrict my own access.
    I'm now trying to work out how the UK exported $901K of 'Insect Resin' to South Korea in 2017!

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47620235

    Brexit: Theresa May to press on with deal despite Bercow ruling

    But it looks like extra time will be asked for in any case...

  • 'Insect Resin'

    As exuded by ministers on trade delegations?

  • Ah, my bad. Naively I assumed the numbers were accurate and just offered own explanation. But you're right, they may just as well be all round bollox.

  • I was mistakenly looking for 'Lizard skin hides/sloughed Lizard skin'.

  • As that article points out, if she thinks she's got the votes, she can force it through, by first voting to suspend the standing order, and then re-issuing the motion.

    She only has one chance though - I imagine the very same people who would vote for the deal, would vote to suspend the standing order.

    If she calls a vote on the standing order, and it fails, I wonder if she can then get parliament to vote on the standing order again later? Same rule may apply about only voting on the same thing once.

    To me this means she really only has one more shot at this - and she has to know its going to get through to call the required votes....doesn't look like it will happen before Thursday so off the EU she goes with nothing anyway.

    It is so messy now.

  • Or, you know, faced with such a shit show, May could compromise with the opposition, or change tack and try something different.

    But no, exactly the same thing over and over until either it works or the UK is fucked.

  • The WA is the WA, there's no going back on that. The only thing May can offer is:

    WA with ref on Remain/WA/whatevers
    Pinky Promising that AFTER the WA she will negotiate deal X, but will others trust her to do this?

  • You might expect there to be consequences if she were to try this approach only to have it fail (i.e. lost the vote). But, our world has long since stopped being normal, so she'll probably just carry on as if nothing had happened...

  • Could it be that, all along, May landed on an idea for a perfect way for the whole thing to come unravelled so as we end up where we were? Am probably very late to this conspiracy theory though. And an awful process to put yourself through for its own sake, so am now thinking probably not.

  • https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/19/croydon_school_toilet_roll_brexit/ bog roll company sends 90 rolls to the Queen as a cheeky gift.

    1. May wants the EU to give her the option of both short and long extensions.
    2. Barnier says she can only get a long extension if she offers something significantly new - not just the current WA - to the EU.
    3. The Tories will force May out if she gets a long extension for any reason and are unlikely to back any relaxation of the WA.
    4. Barnier says he doesn't want to offer a short extension unless May can show Parliament's commitment to delivering the existing WA.
    5. May: ...

    Odds on a hard crash out of the EU surely gone up again.

  • 6 to 1

    Evens for a deal or extension

  • 10 days and 5 hours to go.

    Bunch of morons.

  • What I can't understand is how Revocation of Article 50 isn't now the default no deal position rather than crashing out without a deal. Parliament showed a majority are in favour of avoiding a no deal exit. May keeps on saying you can't take no deal off the table (you quite clearly can). Surely from her perspective it would massively have helped her chances of getting her deal through if the ERG maniacs realised that avoiding Brexit was the default position, they'd have had to have sucked it up and gone with it. I'm still hopefully the Kyle amendment squeaks through next week at the last minute.

  • yeah, but, like, you're a sensible person. You're not surrounded by 80+ fanatics who have been raised to believe that they're always right, that Britain is the best country, and that you have the best ideas to lead your country.

  • Sh categorically denied earlier today that she would revoke:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1107983373195202560

    Make of that what you will. You're right though - I seem to remember that she can only unilaterally revoke until the end of March, so that presumably is the default option that she's being steered towards (with another referendum as a fall back)

  • Ah I see...but at least she's proven over the last few years that you can't rely on her word so her categorically denying something carries no real credibility!

  • I don't think she'd ever consider revoking. She's likely to be forced out of office either way, but revoking would see her labelled by the Brexiters as a traitor and she might well think that would be true.

  • If only she’d believed harder...

  • I can just about imagine a situation where the ERG forces her out in an attempt to get No Deal and she revokes out of spite to prevent it or something. The very last card she's got to play.

  • The fact that she has made a statement at all about revocation (albeit one denying she would ever do it) is a sign that it is coming into the conversation. The Brexit Overton window is shifting.

    There are many things in this process (!) she has categorically refuted doing and then promptly done just hours later.

  • I think revoking might need an Act of Parliament, similar to how invoking A50 originally needed one so government had permission to do so. Though it might be something the Supreme Court would have to decide on first.

  • Surely it's a safer supposition that if May says she definitely won't do it, she'll definitely do it? :)

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