EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Is it the deal itself that has to change, or the motion on the deal that has to change? ie could the deal stay the same and the govt could add some extra bits and pieces (eg date) to change it enough to go up for a vote?

Every piece of news like this feels like an equal win for no Brexit and default no deal... so hard to know whether to be happy about it or not

Just read that Gov't could get round the ruling by "proroguing" parliament....pack up and start a new session. What the Actual Fuck is going on in the world.

How long does a quick prorogue take? I don't even...

Bercow has just gone further and said he wouldn't allow another vote unless the deal is substantively changed - that is not going to happen

Probably saves Theresa from having to (choosing to) delay the vote herself.

This moment needed a meme. Best I could do:

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date of what though?

The vote on the deal has always been pretty simple - accept it or not.

Last time, the EU published a load of extra docs on legal opinions, and joint statements and what not, so it was seen as different. The EU said, there will be no third try at amending the deal (which they hadnt done anyway) or publishing legal opinions.

I don't think just No10 publishing something would change it enough, according to what Bercow just said. Perhaps some legal mumbo jumbo about the Geneva Convention or somesuch, but I've heard less about over the weekend anyway, and according to Bercow, doesn't sound like it would be enough.

I still think (pray) parliament won't allow no deal...

Haven't they already said that they can't? I've totally lost track on whether that was a real decision, or one that they're allowed to keep remaking.

When @Dammit becomes king, I think his first ruling should be 'plain english only'

It also means previous amendments can't be brought back so heaven knows where we are now.

nothing in law yet - just a consensus that the government should not allow no deal to happen - doesn't mean it can't.

It all depends on what the binary choice ends up being - no deal or revoke A50 is pretty much as nuclear as it could get.

Most people expected it to be a choice between no deal or a long extension, possibly with a GE or peoples vote thrown in to the conditions on the latter.

#ErskineMay is now trending.

Tory politicians seem to operate on the basis that most voters have no memory of neither what was promised in the manifesto, nor how they were treated by the previous administration;
Bercow remembers;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/26/tory-backbench-rebellion-defeats-hagues-attempt-to-unseat-speaker-john-bercow

Now suggested that the commons could vote to change or suspend the standing order preventing the same motion being voted on....

I despair.

I'd be surprised if the government would table an amendment to revoke article50.

And even more surprised if MPs would get whipped to vote for revocation, it would be a free vote and a more pantomime chaos if it would be a vote on revoke A50 or remain.

What could happen now is Corbyn trying to sell his so-so deal (CU union for goods but not people/services? Not great for the economy or EU furrin's/Brits abroad) and fail, then maybe somebody is going to sell a CU/SM option which -might- get cross party support, but the EU won't change the WA or keep giving extensions for nothing.

If they say "we do this AFTER the WA is signed" well how do we know they will go for that solution? I don't see what other options there are, unless the UK wants to spend a fortune putting customs systems in place, but it means more inclarity and insecurity.

grabs popcorn, again

prospect of GE surely now very much enhanced?

If May has any self respect.

All existing evidence, though.

He may bear a grudge but he's also just relishing the moment. He has a chance to be one of those Speakers who is remembered for decades or even longer.

As @davidallengreen just put it;

Erskine May 1 - Theresa May 0

Yep,
he still may end up being The Speaker who saved the Nation fron brexit.

so the filthy fuckers are going to Prorogate? Of course they will

From the Grindingon

Solicitor general says UK is in 'major constitutional crisis'
This is from Robert Buckland, the solicitor general, on Bercow saying he might not allow a repeat vote on the Brexit deal. Buckland told BBC News:

We are in a major constitutional crisis here.

There are ways around this - a prorogation of parliament and a new session. We are talking about hours to March 29. Frankly we could have done without this.

Now we have this ruling to deal with, it is clearly going to require a lot of very fast but very deep thought in the hours ahead.

If they’d not treated parliament with contempt we wouldn’t be where we are today.

If they prorogue, i think they need another queen's speech. The look on her face may almost be worth it...

The trouble for May is, proroguing Parliament and then opening it again and delivering the same vote seems like Parliament's role is being disrespected - and therefore she is less likely to get the votes she needs.

The problem for anyone who doesn't want Brexit is that these delaying tactics also tip us closer to no deal, which is what will happen without a deal or another plan.

That's why JRM is laughing.

Just got my German degree awarded today. Now waiting on Irish passport and I'll be in Brexit proof bliss.

Fucking omnishambles of a country when Bercow is the saving grace...

Where do we go from here? In unexpected directions.

I just accidentally pasted 'erskine' into my paper, thanks to ubuntu and this thread

I'm all about the crywank.

Preferably in a cold bath of piss.