• Ok but...what am I supposed to do as end user? Aside from the political bits I think we agree on. Donating to charity / volunteering are options too.

    The original discussion was sparked by some guy that is probably fine suggesting we should be around family and not move etc.

    This is not an option if there is no work. As effectively you then become dependent on a system that doesn't work / nobody helps you bar underfunded charities.

    Maybe what matters in life is being able to be economically independent. Because otherwise you end up as that marginalized person.

    Not the most idealistic conclusion but that's the one I draw atm with an unemployed partner, a useless ex and a ten year old :)

  • I hear you and it's the same situation that everyone is in, irrespective of whether they care beyond themselves or not. The system promotes charity/ volunteering as a way to appease those with a conscience as it prevents no threat to the status quo. That's not doing these things isn't good, it is, it just suits the system which shouldn't be marginalising these people in the first place.

    I guess the first point of importance is that we all have a change of heart and think beyond ourselves, that's necessary to get through anything intact.

    Beyond that, it's a tough one as it requires real world changes and a system which is ruthless and paranoid about it's own fragility as it relies upon everyone being enslaved through necessity, fear or greed while effectively dis-empowering everyone to create apathy or requiring their submission to attain positions of influence.

    While we all rely on the system, it equally relies on us and falls to bits very fast if everyone refused to participate. The problem is that this results in anarchy and chaos with adverse effects for everyone. Without an alternative then that's ill advised.

    So, effecting change requires address of the mechanisms through which disempowerment occurs and the formulation of compelling and understandable alternatives to gain commitment.

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