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These are the very things am talking about , when they worked fair play but a straightforward manual box was a whole lot simpler.
I also happen to like a good manual gearbox , I like the action of changing gear that way as I feel it's all part of "driving" . Part of these reason we didn't buy a Giulia to replace the Giulietta recently as you can't buy a manual box in this country . All flappy paddles no clutch pedal.
Not for me.
ejay2.0
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Had a few selespeeds, as they were cheaper and no one wanted to buy them. Especially as the ones I got had issues so were priced at scrap value. Issues I found were people driving them like an normal autobox, not a manual box with hydraulics. Seemed to make the gearbox light come on. Needs to have the latest software for that system and needs to be installed in a certain way and fiat dealers seemed not to be able to do it. Also issues with the change hydraulic fluid getting contaminated by water and dirt so change can help.
There also drive shaft mount bearings?? in the gearbox that fail. It is an fucking arse to replace as you have to drop the subframe.
EDIT: Reading that I suspect you are right and I am the idiot.