Politics Chat.

I’m reading that as sarcasm, no?

I realised after I posted! Sorry... Long day

Edit: @punkture

Saying that the press unequally weight it as an issue is majorly problematic.

Saying this is problematic is problematic.

Clearly I'm coming at this from a less invested viewpoint. No, I'm not Jewish, and as such I have not been affected personally by this issue. The only strong opinion I have on the subject is that any form of racism or prejudice has no place in society or politics.

When it comes to the press, which is all I have to go on, I think it's fair to say Corbyn has been kicked from pillar to post. This makes it difficult for someone with no experience in the matter to pick out real issues where criticism is due from the sensationalist bullshit.

Of course I want to support you or others who have been victims of discrimination, and yes you are right there shouldn't be a burden of proof on victims, but in this case, sadly, the misinformation in the press surrounding Corbyn has made it more difficult for someone like me to work out where the truth lies.

Anna "real leader of the opposition" Soubry leaves the Tories.

I think it's fair to say Corbyn has been kicked from pillar to post.

Well yeah. This is what happens to highly visible public figures even before you factor in that Corbyn has followed a career path that typically doesn't result being the leader of the opposition and 'PM in waiting'.

To run the show, you need to have believed that you can run the show for some time, and over that time, you would have needed to have taken actions and made decisions mindful of your ambition*. Corbyn did not do that (or rather, his ambition wasn't to run the show), and neither I think did Milliband - they were kind of opportunistic in their leadership bids which whilst is fine, kinda, it does not grant you any kind of media 'free pass' - the opposite in fact. You have a credibility debt.

misinformation in the press surrounding Corbyn

Out of interest, what misinformation? Is it possible to list it, or is it just a sense of it?

* as an aside, as I understand it apparently May always believed she could be PM and she wanted to be PM. She was in Cameron's cabinet because she was a direct threat to him as leader. She was in the tent pissing out.

Misinformation and misrepresentation against the Corbyn opposition is pretty well documented.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/des-freedman-justin-schlosberg/jeremy-corbyn-impartiality-and-media-misrepresentation

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media-and-communications/research/research-projects/representations-of-jeremy-corbyn

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/labour-complains-to-regulator-over-coverage-of-corbyn-cemetery-visit-1.3598709

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/fass/journals/cadaad/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/08-Piazza-Lashmar.pdf

http://theconversation.com/media-bias-against-jeremy-corbyn-shows-how-politicised-reporting-has-become-71593

Misinformation and misrepresentation against the Corbyn opposition is pretty well documented.

Presumably the misinformation was then retracted by the mainstream media outlets that published it when they learned that they had published falsehoods regarding the leader of the opposition or the opposition and its policies?

Edit: I think these links are to articles that answer a different question.

I mean, the press being critical of Corbyn and his leadership does not equal publishing misinformation, it's something else.

Outlets willfully misrepresentating information with purpose to firm up a "take" or certain angle of critique are dealing in misinformation.

take all of this with a fistful of salt because Al Jazeera etc. but it does make you think that perhaps, in relation to this specific incident at least, Joan Ryan isn't really arguing in good faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=494&v=L3dn-VV3czc

BBC headline: labour mps leave due to corbyns leadership
BBC headline: conservative mps leave to join another group

And so on

Then there's the utter bullshit about him being an IRA sympathiser, complete with photos of him being a pall bearer at an IRA funeral, despite the fact that it isn't even him.

This is a good (bad) one, the day after the Manchester bombings

Also, his Remembrance Sunday 'dance' was a particularly awful case of misinformation.

On the one hand, I get it - that the Sun can get away with disingenuously positioning 'the objective truth in that it was true that these words were uttered by some guy' as 'the reportable truth of the matter' - is frustrating.

But on the other they are reporting that some guy said something or it looked like some guy did something. It's how they put breakfast on the table, and I think describing it as misinformation overstates the paper's credibility as a source of 'News'.

That said, you have to convince some Sun readers to get elected as PM.

The headlines of the scum get read out each morning without comment and in the same breath as what you might consider far more reputable papers on the BBC.

Yeah. It's always a WTF moment when they show the tabloid front pages.

This is what I do not get about Labour. Corbyn is not palatable to so many people and obviously the media too. Why not replace him with a fresh face and push Labour's political goals instead of unsuccessfully trying to change everyone else's mind about one person. I do not think the public will change their minds, however much research they are shown of unjustified persecution. That first impression of a person is so hard to change.

Because no one else wants to do it.

I don't think it's really about Corbyn himself, he's just a cypher for those political goals and whoever replaces him will have the same problem (as did Ed Miliband before him). The media always plays the man and not the ball.
Isn't their research showing the reversal of opinions of Labour/Corbyn once media general election rules were in place?

Because Labour is a democratic organisation.

And for all the PLP's complaints, Corbyn is still popular among the membership - and a lot of the new members who joined to vote for him.

So basically what you're advocating is a coup in the Labour Party, against the will of the members.