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punkture in reply to @fat_freddys_cat
ok, maybe it is for someone who may not be Jewish(?) and hasn't followed this issue in depth for years. But as a Jew who has followed this closely and, like many other Jews (of course not all and I don't speak for everyone) but:
1. As a general community it is clear that we feel attacked and many people do not feel that they can vote Labour because it is not a friendly place to be as a Jew. That seems to be greeted with a great shrug from many people who bizarrely simultaneously define themselves as 'For the Many not the Few'. Shameful.
2. Saying that the press unequally weight it as an issue is majorly problematic. You must be aware of the antisemitic trope that Jews control the media right? So is it the Jews who are behind this devious unequal weighting in the media? Whats the reason for it? Why are the media controlling Jews so hellbent on attacking Corbyn? Or does it just plain not exist and race hate towards Jews is a grave problem that should be given as much airtime as possible
3. Why can't people just believe us and support us instead of telling us to prove ourselves first? It is not acceptable usually to go around telling other minorities that 'actually, no you are not the subject of race hate, stop being hyperbolic'. That would be unacceptable to other minorities so why to Jews? It was a major finding in the Stephen Lawrence case that recognised that minorities have the right and are always best placed to define their racism, due to the insidiousness and blurred, undefinable lines that are often inherent in racism, so why is this not applied to us?

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fat_freddys_cat in reply to @punkture

Clearly I'm coming at this from a less invested viewpoint. No, I'm not Jewish, and as such I have not been affected personally by this issue. The only strong opinion I have on the subject is that any form of racism or prejudice has no place in society or politics.

When it comes to the press, which is all I have to go on, I think it's fair to say Corbyn has been kicked from pillar to post. This makes it difficult for someone with no experience in the matter to pick out real issues where criticism is due from the sensationalist bullshit.

Of course I want to support you or others who have been victims of discrimination, and yes you are right there shouldn't be a burden of proof on victims, but in this case, sadly, the misinformation in the press surrounding Corbyn has made it more difficult for someone like me to work out where the truth lies.

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Howard in reply to @fat_freddys_cat

I think it's fair to say Corbyn has been kicked from pillar to post.

Well yeah. This is what happens to highly visible public figures even before you factor in that Corbyn has followed a career path that typically doesn't result being the leader of the opposition and 'PM in waiting'.

To run the show, you need to have believed that you can run the show for some time, and over that time, you would have needed to have taken actions and made decisions mindful of your ambition*. Corbyn did not do that (or rather, his ambition wasn't to run the show), and neither I think did Milliband - they were kind of opportunistic in their leadership bids which whilst is fine, kinda, it does not grant you any kind of media 'free pass' - the opposite in fact. You have a credibility debt.

misinformation in the press surrounding Corbyn

Out of interest, what misinformation? Is it possible to list it, or is it just a sense of it?

* as an aside, as I understand it apparently May always believed she could be PM and she wanted to be PM. She was in Cameron's cabinet because she was a direct threat to him as leader. She was in the tent pissing out.

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