EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

My mum loves him.

i've been reading elsewhere that brexit wasn't referenced at all in their published resignation missive. what is it these people stand for again?

happy to be corrected.

My mum loves him.

I've lost track of if we're talking about Umunna. However, if we are, my mum likes him too.

Given where she lives, she is unfortunately one of those tiresome floating people that you actually will need to get to vote Labour to be able to win power, and who absolutely won't at the minute. I guess she's a Centrist Mum.

Their website, which is blocked at work so I can't confirm, apparently contains this in their statement:

Labour now pursues policies that would weaken our national security; accepts the narratives of states hostile to our country; has failed to take a lead in addressing the challenge of Brexit and to provide a strong and coherent alternative to the Conservatives’ approach; is passive in circumstances of international humanitarian distress; is hostile to businesses large and small; and threatens to destabilise the British economy in pursuit of ideological objectives.

Not been following in massive detail this morning but I understood it's been mentioned.

Not really had chance to read about the news yet today and the reasons the 7 MPs gave for leaving other than it broadly being about Labour's Brexit stance and antisemitism problem. Just skimmed the last few pages on here though.
Hasn't Corbyn repeatedly failed to deliver the labour party's decisions on key actions because he disagrees with them, such as Syria and the decision to back a people's vote, and therefore he isn't a good leader/democratic/able to compromise? Did the MPs cite this as a reason to leave?
Disastrous if it means more tory momentum but I can sympathise with the MPs completely. I have been completely appalled by labour's ineffectual opposition to Brexit/ the government and would struggle to vote for them at the moment.

I always thought socialism was about supporting your comrades, not vilifying them if they don't share your viewpoint.

Not if your brand of socialism is really all about identity politics. In that case any challenge to your views is an existential threat, and the only option is therefore to either shout down any dissenters or drive them away from any debate by personal abuse. You then end up with @greenhell, Momentum, the ERG and arch-Brexiteer wing of UKIP, all playing from the same rulebook just wearing different colours. Hurling abuse at everyone else safe in their little enclave of ideological purity.

^ oh look it's this tiresome cunt and his utterly laughable false equivalences. it's a christmas fucking miracle that he knows anything i've said considering he blocked me yonks ago but can't resist a tasty tag every now and then to remind everyone.

Not in any way surprising, but it looks as though Honda is taking the Nissan route and moving production out of the UK.

Who else makes cars in volume here (not stuff like Bentley, Lotus and Caterham)?
JLR do, and Vauxhall does somewhere I think? Is there anyone else. I think I read Ford would likely leave Dagenham.

We must have lost a massively significant part of that industry now.

JLR (who are moving production to Hungary), Nissan and Honda (who are moving production to Japan). That's it, I think. Vauxhall only make the Vivaro van in Luton (not for much long, I suspect) and Ford only make engines at Dagenham these days. I suspect the largest car manufacturer in the UK in 10 years' time will be Morgan.

Oh, and BMW in Oxford for the MINI.

Is that because of the electric Mini having been scheduled for that plant and it being too late to move for this model cycle? Or do they really like Oxford?

Vauxhall (=Peugeot Citroen) make the current Astra at Ellesmere Port.
The Vauxhall van plant in Luton also makes the badged versions for Nissan & Renault,
(when attending a Marine exhibition in Southampton a few years ago the shuttle bus from a multistorey car park took us past the wharf where a selection of (seemingly) one-off Renault chassis cabs were waiting for export).
Ford at Dagenham transitioned from Fiesta production to the assembly of diesel engines while Ken Livingstone was Mayor of London.
Toyota still have an engine plant in north Wales and vehicle assembly in Burnaston, Derbyshire.
JLR have a plant in Slovakia for the new/next Discovery
https://media.jaguarlandrover.com/news/2018/10/jaguar-land-rover-opens-manufacturing-plant-slovakia

Posts this about Corbyn:

it's astounding he achieved what he did considering the open hostility directed at him by the supine, almost exclusively right wing press

Follows it up a few minutes later with a republished Daily Mail story which hinges on Umunna's appalling crime:

The 34-year-old...

but it was 6 years previously, so he was in fact 28

reportedly complained about the lack of "decent" clubs in the capital.

And

Most of the West End haunts seem to be full of trash and C-list wannabes, while other places that should know better opt for the cheesy vibe.

i'm not following your point there, ace.

The "change they wanted to see" was property developer-led selling off of public land, and ordinary people didn't like it

This is true.

Momentum - which also consisted of 'local party members', in some cases members of 20-30 years - got their candidates elected instead.

But this isn't. Joseph Ejiofor wasn't elected, he was appointed in a private meeting. The constituency party members backed Zena Brabazon - who got more support than the other four candidates put together - but thanks to a Momentum takeover Ejiofor got appointed anyway.

I didn't agree with the selling off of the land but I also don't agree with Momentum takeovers and purges like they did in Haringey.

Vauxhall only make the Vivaro van in Luton (not for much long, I suspect)

They make the Astra in Ellesmere Port as well. Although there were mass walkouts in November so possibly not for much longer also.

You have condemned right-wing muckraking of one Labour politician, then done exactly the same.

Might be a (an additional) reason they're not a party: https://mobile.twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1097474345381912577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

^^ ah i see.

i think umunnas comments are particularly egregious considering he represents (or at least used to) a party that traditionally exists to represent the interests of said 'trash' in stark contrast to the interests of the sort of fart sniffing neo liberal awfulness the website he made his comments on, appeals to - it says a lot about his priorities and i also think these comments are borne out by his decision to leave today. the very definition of a champagne socialist.

also - EX labour politician.

also also - corbyn / mcdonnell / abott's past going back far further has been the subject of muckrakery form all sides of the political spectrum. it's almost like people that matter have a vested interest in ensuring socialist policies that would see folks like you and I paying more taxes to help those at the bottom of the ladder is something to be stopped at all costs.

So with cursory google searches, the only manufacturer I can't find much leaving or issuing warnings about in our list is Toyota. I assume they'll go though, given the other Japanese manufacturers are.

BMW mention the Netherlands, Vauxhall (owned by Peugeot) have warned, Nissan and Honda obviously going, Ford, JLR apparently also.

Not great is it.

tory momentum

Now that's a plot twist!

Project fear tho

If these lot were so determined to make the jump they should have waited before they could get people from across the party divide before they did so

2022.
Just in time for the next (fixed term parliament) general election.