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  • I don't know about Britain to be honest, but here there's often a very lively mix of
    no cycle lane (so go on street or use pavement), then "jug-handle" to cycle lane / "shared use" (use this or just stay on the street, as) 20 meters later cycle lane markings jug handle back to street (where delivery truck is parking 24/7, forcing you to a full stop), 20 meters later proper nice dedicated cycle lane (but have to bunny-hop on it as workers in berlin not willing nor able to lower the fucking kerb properly),etc.
    Thus everybody that is smart and fast enough just drives on the street (which isn't illegal by the way even if there is a dedicated cycle lane, it's just you have to tell this to angry car drivers some times).
    The chaotic cycle lane situation leads to quite a lot of that *I have no indication that I should be expecting bikes, so I'd probably get pretty annoyed if someone cycled at me * - just because it's quite a mess here lots of places really.
    Add a million drunk tourists on rent bikes in summer to this and you might even consider public transport.

  • There are similar mixes of rubbish cycle facilities in Britain all over the place; you may not have seen Crap Cycle Lanes:

    http://wcc.crankfoot.xyz/facility-of-the-month/

    They'll always keep coming back, but you've got to fight them on the beaches, etc.

    Thus everybody that is smart and fast enough just drives on the street (which isn't illegal by the way even if there is a dedicated cycle lane, it's just you have to tell this to angry car drivers some times).

    Does Berlin remove the blue signs as required by law now? If not, technically cycle tracks fitted with them are still benutzungspflichtig, it's just that the Amtsentscheid that is behind their presence will be rechtswidrig (I'm probably using these legal terms completely wrongly, so German lawyers may well have to correct them, but that's how I understand them). As far as I know, few transport authorities have actually implemented the very clear directives set down in the judgement by the Bundesverwaltungsgericht in November 2010:

    https://www.bverwg.de/181110U3C42.09.0

    Hm, I thought there was a further elaboration of that in January 2011, but I can't find it now.

    For instance, in Mainz the blue signs are still up almost everywhere, even though the traffic head honcho promised years ago that they'd be removed everywhere except on a de facto urban motorway.

  • Long story short: yes, you have to use the cycle lane when there's the blue sign.
    You may choose freely to drive on the street or the cycle lane when there is no sign.
    In Berlin about 85% of cycle lanes are without sign.

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